Bad score avoidance vs aggressive play

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Bad score avoidance vs aggressive play  

  By: Jake H on Oct. 29, 2019, 9:58 a.m.

I recently watched a presentation given by Dr Mark Broadie talking about putting statistics on tour. One of the conclusions I found interesting was that its more important to one putt more often than it is to 3 putt less often. The top putters on tour make significantly more putts in the 15-18 foot range than the lower tier putters. Another stat correlated with poorer putting performance was leaving putts short. The conclusions were that players that left a higher percentage of putts past the hole had better stats than players who averaged leaving putts shorter. Brad Faxon has always talked about how he was always marking his ball after lag putts because he was never worried about 3 putting.

I also find this aggressive approach interesting in comparison to Decade where its all about bad score avoidance. An interesting anecdote: One of my good friends has been candying on tour for over 10 years and has caddied for guys who use the Decade system and guys who don’t. He can’t stand the decade system and believes it casts too much doubt/indecision in the player leading to poorer performance.

Thoughts this might be an interesting topic - let me know what you all think! 🤙🏽

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Re: Bad score avoidance vs aggressive play  

  By: Barry C on Oct. 31, 2019, 4:41 p.m.

+Jake H
Great topic Jake. Putting is probably the only part of my game that keeps me a single digit player. I could never relate my putting thought process to others until I had a playing lessons with Dan Jamati. He helped me understand being "present" with each individual putt is what I was doing (at least most of the time, sometimes a brain fart sneaks in). Being present with the putt is a conscious effort to make a stroke that will put the ball in the hole based on all elements observed, e.g. break, slope, etc. Once I'm not present with the putt, e.g. me thinking "I need to one putt this green or don't three putt" I've already lost the battle.
Thanks for reading.
Barry

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Re: Bad score avoidance vs aggressive play  

  By: Ed C on Nov. 8, 2019, 9:43 a.m.

+Jake H

Hi Jake - I use Decade and agree with you.

Using an analogy, to me Decade feels like the equivalent of an idiot-proof playbook on poker strategy. It lays out all the odds and gives you the high percentage play every time (fold, call, raise, all-in, etc.). I believe 99.9% of recreational poker players would play better and win more hands by blindly following the system.

But anecdotally, watching the pros who make it to the final table and win @ the World Series of Poker, the winning moves aren't always the high percentage play. Luck of the draw, competitors going on tilt, or a perfectly timed bluff can make them a champion. Always playing the odds perfectly doesn't guarantee competitive victory.

I like Decade because I fall within the 99.9%. Yes it often leaves me with a 30ft 2-putt more often than a 15ft birdie chance, but I'm also in the hazard less. I can see how it would net me a lower average score at the end of a season, but a 72 hole tournament may not be a large enough sample size to warrant playing the percentages every. single. time.

For the 0.1% of elite golfers who already have golf strategy down cold, I can definitely see how it might dull their competitive instincts.

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Re: Bad score avoidance vs aggressive play  

  By: Jake H on Nov. 8, 2019, 10:29 a.m.

+Ed C

That’s a great analogy I couldn’t agree more!

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Re: Bad score avoidance vs aggressive play  

  By: Ed C on Oct. 30, 2019, 3:16 p.m.

I’m curious if you could expand on how he has seen decade introduce more doubt/indecision in elite players?

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Re: Bad score avoidance vs aggressive play  

  By: Lars M on Oct. 31, 2019, 5:41 a.m.

+Ed C
What is the decade system. Never heard of it.

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Re: Bad score avoidance vs aggressive play  

  By: Jake H on Oct. 31, 2019, 7:31 a.m.

+Lars M

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aPe-Wbd0j84

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Re: Bad score avoidance vs aggressive play  

  By: Tyler F on Oct. 31, 2019, 8:58 a.m.

+Ed C Anecdotally, I heard a similar story from another tour pro. He found himself thinking, "where would my worst shot go" instead of just looking at where he wanted to hit. By trying to avoid the bad shot consciously it made him look at too wide of a target for his style. It made it harder for him to truly commit to a line/target. Decade has the opposite effect for some golfers, and it's a great starting point for beginners to understand strategy but you do have to keep the bigger picture - how to get into the right state of mind in your preshot routine - in mind when planning your shot.

As a kid, I remember hearing Arnold Palmer in an interview talk about having a "conservative strategy, but a cocky swing". I took that to heart. Defensive swings get you in trouble, so you always want to swing aggressively, even if your shot choice is a safe one.

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Re: Bad score avoidance vs aggressive play  

  By: Adam K on Oct. 31, 2019, 10:05 a.m.

I think Tyler is spot on here. I have had “limited” use of the Decade system in competitive events, but when using it “under the gun”, I felt like it could take some pressure off my game when combined with the right “performance mindset”.

Specifically, giving myself a “margin of error” and a game plan for each tee shot seems to make me worry less about whether or not I have my “A” game on the way to the course that day (which I wish was the case more often!)

Overall though, this makes me think of a few conversations I have had with Dr. Debbie Crews, a golf science expert in the mental game. Dr. Crews always says - be smart first, then aggressive.

Great topic Jake, by the way!

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