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4 Ways to Swing Discussion

The video discusses the YouTube video, https://youtu.be/FDqLWVO77cM

**This video is in no way intended to discredit the work of Mike Malaska. The goal is to provide an opinion on a subject in order to help clarify or spark further discussion into the details of different swing styles.**

 

Tags: Member Question, Concept, Advanced, Intermediate

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this call smart insight we're going to

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discuss the YouTube video discussing

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different swing techniques so one of the

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members of the site asked the question

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about the specific video linked below

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where Mike Mille Aska discusses four

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different ways to swing a golf club and

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it is I want to start by saying this

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video is not to discredit one method

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versus another it's really just a goal

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of hopefully educating and possibly all

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of us understanding why one system might

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work better for me versus you versus

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whoever and understanding the true

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differences between them

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so Mike moleska describes four different

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swing characteristic or swing theories

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he's got kind of the body driven swing

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he's got an arm driven swing he's got an

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x-factor swing which is probably close

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to the body driven swing if we were to

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actually you know break into the pieces

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of it and then he's got what he's called

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the momentum swing where it's basically

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the arms and the body kind of working

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together so I don't want to go through

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each individual one and say you know

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what I agree with what I disagree with

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but I want to I want to give you a

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little bit of hopefully background

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information or maybe insight so that

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when you re watch this video you'll kind

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of understand why certain swings worked

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for him

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certain swings may have caused tension

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and problems in his lower back and what

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it means for you as a golfer so the

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first thing to understand is that

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everybody has their own personal biases

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and it doesn't mean like I don't mean

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bias as far as this is how I think but

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biases in the way that their body moves

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so I relate those three biases to the

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way that you square the club the way

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that you organize the path and the way

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that you create speed now it looks like

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when he's demonstrating these different

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swing categories he's able to change the

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way his body's moving but what you'll

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see is he uses roughly the same arm

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movements in transition regardless of

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the swing system that he's in he's using

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he may or may not be aware of it but he

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has more of a steep arm movement and

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anytime you have a steep arm movement

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you're going to struggle

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with any of the body driven swings so

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one of his conclusions is that he's

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tried them all and he didn't like trying

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the body driven swing or the x-factor

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swing he said that the x-factor swing is

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great for creating speed but has a hard

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time controlling the clubface well I

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will agree that it is great for country

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a ting speed and it requires shaft

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rotation to square the club face not the

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method that he tends to teach so some of

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the guys that he describes as more of

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this momentum or blending swing would

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really in my mind be more of a body

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driven swing if you factor in their arm

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movement and what they're doing so you

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can review my video on the different

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ways to square the club but real quick

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he's basically one method would be using

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more of this get the hands out in front

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of you

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and supinate and the other method would

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be more of a shaft rotation kind of like

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this so one is using the whole path two

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is using just the face or rotating the

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face to the path you're going to use a

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body driven swing you have to rotate the

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face to the path and if you rotate the

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face of the path then it tends to create

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limonade some of the jarring feeling

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that a lot of golfers get at impact

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if they tend to have more of this steep

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arm pattern so that explains to me why

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when he demonstrates them his transition

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our moves kind of all look this the same

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regardless of the way that he's

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demonstrating or the method that he's

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demonstrating even by his own

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classifications so I personally am more

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of a lower body dominant swinger as a

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result or most of my movements with my

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hips and with my core as a result I was

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a really good driver of the golf ball

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and I tend to struggle with wedges

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there's no one best way the best way is

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to learn how to manage your swing for

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the swing where it doesn't totally fit

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so I would say that this video is more

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of a cautionary tale of understanding

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the pieces but let's if we if we go with

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the classifications I would say the more

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toe

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Tour Pros tend to be in the body driven

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swing than in the arm balanced swing

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that as he calls it because basically

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what he's doing with the arm balance

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swing is he's using his vertical arm

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motion and he's still using his body but

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he's kind of supporting the movement

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with his body so as a result you're

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going to see longer straight are more of

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a straight arm and impact that golfer is

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going to tend to have trouble swinging

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hard and controlling clubface where the

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body driven swings you can tend to swing

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a little bit harder and still control

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clubface and there tend to be well have

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more difficulty with driver in 3-wood so

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just understanding how these kind of

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classifications fit will hopefully help

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you understand your game now he does say

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at one point that certain swings are

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better for your body and certain swings

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are worse for your body so I wanted to

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just give a real quick

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kind of injury prevention injury you

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know awareness of as far as how

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movements relate to that so there are a

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number of different things that can

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cause injury but some of the common ones

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would be high speed or high change of

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directions so if you're going from

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fastest slow or slow to fast really

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quickly that can tend to produce

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micro-tears eccentric load so if I'm

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resisting a weight moving away from me

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that's moving away with a lot of force

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that can tend to cause injury more so

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than if I was doing concentric or

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basically pulling a weight towards me um

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so you've got your eccentric you got

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your rapid change direction and then

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you've got end range of motion so the

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kind of some of the worst things I could

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do is if I put myself in a maximum

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stretch end range of motion and then I

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were to quickly activate and change

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direction going into the end of my range

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of motion eccentric ly right that's a

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pretty good recipe for producing injury

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so here's what here's what happens and

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how that relates to his discussion of

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some of these swing characteristics if I

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tend to get steep with my body what I'll

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have to do is I'll have to stall and

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decelerate

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which does tend to put more stress in my

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lower back especially if I'm limited in

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my ribcage or hip mobility to be able to

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initiate the deceleration from there so

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if I get steep with my arms and I swing

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hard it's that jarring feeling at impact

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that will tend to contribute towards

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lower back pain if I use the body

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centred or the body driven kind of swing

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approach I can do so in an even fashion

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and I can do so keeping most of my

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joints in neutral range of motion or

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avoiding the end range of motion when I

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have a lot of speed and velocity and

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that can be very safe so there are some

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things that he say produce injury that

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are really just opinion and that's fine

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if that's his experience and that's what

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he's seen either with his players or

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with himself but when it comes to injury

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producing mechanisms what he describes

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as causing too much strain on the lower

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back by itself if you had good technique

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would not put extra strain on your lower

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back in fact in one could make an

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argument because of the way that the

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body has to work with an arm dominant

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swing that it's going to tend to produce

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more strain now I do agree with him that

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as you get older so let's say once you

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get past about the age of 65 you tend to

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lose some of your ability to side Bend

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and that tends to produce some path

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issues so then you you will do better

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having a little bit more arm powering or

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or arm squaring with supination but

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that's kind of individual specific and

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it really is what I've seen working with

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some of the older population is that as

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you if you can still maintain the body

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Drive of the swing you'll tend to

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produce better shots it's just what is

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your body drive is going to look very

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different than what is a 30 year olds

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body drive so hopefully this discussion

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helps you understand a little bit of how

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injuries

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relate to your swing what might be some

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good ways to classify the swing and

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ultimately why certain instructors might

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be biased towards one swing or another

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take a look at them when they're

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demonstrating their movements and you'll

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learn a lot about why they think the way

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