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In this video, we're going to discuss supination during the release.

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Now Hogan famously wrote about supination starting it impact, but I'm going to show some

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3D and some videos to show you how I like to look at supination during the release.

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It was once more common to talk about supination and the forms rolling over during the

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release, but that kind of got a bad rep as Gulfur started to think more about rate of closure.

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What I'm going to show you in this video is that Torpro's typically have a greater range

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of motion of supination compared to, let's say, a higher mid-handy cap amateurs, but they

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typically do it slower.

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So before we look at some video to understand the look of supination and discuss this particular

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clip, let's take a look at some 3D graphs to see what the numbers say as it relates to

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supination during the release.

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Alright, so on the screen, you see a supination graph of a Torpro winner.

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So you can see the P standing for pronation, anything negative is pronation compared to

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where it was digitized and then S is supination.

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And this is looking at the difference between the wrist joint and the elbow joint.

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So there's a sensor for each of those and there's a virtual sensor created in the center

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of the wrist.

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On AMM, this graph is demonstrating the relationship between the elbow and the wrist or

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specifically looking at the forearm in space.

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So what we'll see is this Gulfur starts because the elbow is pointing a little bit towards

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the target.

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The Gulfur is actually going to start in a slightly supinated position.

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During the backswing, they're going to pronate or roll the palm more down.

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There's a little bit more pronation as they shallow the club here in transition.

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And then through the release, so this is about shaft 45 here and then out about here is

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close to shaft vertical after impact.

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You'll see a relatively smooth and constant supination from somewhere around 20 degrees

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per minute to a little over 100 degrees supinated.

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And what you wouldn't kind of recognize is that 100 degrees supination is probably close

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to this Gulfur's max.

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So while this supination pattern wouldn't appear like it's the club is whipping over or

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rolling over really aggressively, you would see that by the time they finish their release,

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they're reaching close to maximum supination.

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Now here's a second Gulfur demonstrating a very similar pattern.

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So even more shallowing during transition.

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And then in this particular case, you will see a slight increase in speed as the slope

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gets more vertical here.

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But you will see this gradual supination all the way to follow through.

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Take note that this Gulfur reaches close to 110 degrees of supination at the end of their

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follow through position.

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All right, last pro that we'll look at, this Gulfur has a characteristic strong grip.

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So that's part of the reason why you'll see so much supination because the shoulder

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is more internally rotated.

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You will see that this Gulfur with a strong grip tends to have one of the slower rates

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of supination.

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So the slope is less vertical than two of the more classic swings.

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But this major champion winner with a strong grip is still demonstrating over 100 degrees

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of supination from their maximum pronation here, the start of the release to their maximum

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supination here at the end of the release.

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So while you're seeing some slightly different shapes and magnitudes, you'll see that the

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common trend is especially these are all driver swings.

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With the driver, you will see a great amount of supination at the end of the release

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and a smooth, constant supination from the start of the release until the end of the release.

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We won't really get into why these Gulfurs are going through that supination pattern,

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but we are going to discuss how they do it and how you can train it later in this video.

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Okay, now let's take a look at two different amateurs.

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These are mid-handy caps, so about 10 to 15 handy cap.

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Gulfurs who typically battle a little bit more of a fade, complain about fat shot, then

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shots.

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Here we'll see a golfer who does have a little bit of the shallowing in transition, but

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you'll see a fairly rapid increase to the supination as they are approaching impact.

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So this golfer would actually look like he's holding off the supination or holding off

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the forearm rotation, but you can see by the magnitude that he's actually speeding it up

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faster than any of the pros.

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The other thing that you'll notice is the scale at the top there is 60.

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These reaching almost half as much supination as the pro who had the greatest amount, and

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a third less than the golfer who had the fewest amount.

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So basically this golfer is restricting or not nearly as supinated in the follow-through

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position as the torque pros.

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We'll see a couple of video examples here shortly that will help you visualize what this

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actually looks like.

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Now here's one more golfer.

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This golfer you can see tends to get steep with the left arm in transition, and then

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really has a hold off chicken wing.

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So even though they do have a more of a smoother or slower rate of supination through the

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swing, they don't reach a maximum supination amount, and part of that is because that

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lead our starts bending, which tends to prevent the arm from getting into its maximum

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supination in the golf swing, because the lead wrist will start to go into more extension

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rapidly through impact as part of more of a scooper flip style release.

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Again, this will make a little bit more sense when we look at the amateur videos a little

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bit later in the video.

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But for right now, let's put the bed the idea that it's possible to have a full swing

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release without a fair amount of supination, because you can see that even golfer who

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have a restricted amount of supination during their downswing are still supinating a hundred

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degrees or so.

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So if anyone tells you that you should not have any rolling of your forearms, they're

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probably talking about a feel they haven't actually looked at the data, because all golf

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swings have supination during their release, where mostly going to talk about the speed

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and the range of motion, which differentiates a good release from a poor release.

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Now the classic way to look at the amount of supination in the follow-through is to look

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at the follow-through position.

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So as the golfer comes through, you can see that this elbow is pointing roughly behind

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his body and the hand, the back of the hand is roughly pointing in the same position.

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If the back of the hand is pointing straight down as the elbow is pointing straight down,

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that is your maximum supination amount.

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The classic look is basically seeing the fingers of the glove hand underneath the fingers

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of the or underneath the palm of the trailhand, roughly in this shaft follow-through position.

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So we're going to take a look at it more from the target view because it can be a little

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bit easier to see than looking at it from purely this face on view.

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But as you train your eye, you will be able to see the amount of the degree of the forearm

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rotation through the release from any camera angle.

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But let's make it easier for now and let's take a look from the target view.

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It's rare to get a pure target view for obvious safety reasons.

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So most of the other ones will look at are going to be more from a 45 degree angle.

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But here's a great look at Roy McAurei.

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And you'll see at this point right here in the swing, his elbow is roughly pointing out

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in this direction or in the direction of the camera and his palm is turned just a little

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bit more to the right of that so it's in a slightly pronated position.

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As he comes through, it will approach neutral but still probably be closer to the

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pronated position.

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At least that's what it would look like on his 3D graph.

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Now from here you'll be able to see the bones of the forearm rotating over while the

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elbow is rotating around his body at a much slower rate.

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So at this point now the elbow is pointing back this way and the back of the hand is pointing

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in roughly the same direction.

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That only happens from a supinated position.

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Right here the back of the hand is pointing still out away from Roy.

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It's not pointing directly at the target line and the elbow is actually pointing left of

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the target line.

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So he still has some room to supinate at this point and he's going to do it smoothly

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until he reaches his maximum somewhere right around here and then it will start going back

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into pronation or less supination as he goes up towards the top of his swing from there.

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Here's two more toward golfers where you'll see from again this more like 45 degree angle

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position.

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It is easier to see the supination through here from this angle and this angle is safe

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enough to try and take photos with where if they shank it hopefully you'd still be out

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of the way of getting hit if you decide to look at your own swing.

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I use a selfie stick whenever I'm trying to record this view with my students but as we

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look at it we can see again the back of the hand facing closer to the golf ball and

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the elbow pointing more towards the target line and you'll see through here as you goes

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through the inside of the forearm facing more towards the camera than it was through here

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and the elbow changing at a slower rate.

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The elbow is still rotating around but it's rotating at a slower rate because the

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wrist is supinating.

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It's my belief that the supination helps to do more with the control of the arc width

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and the path and that tends to produce a lower rate of closure then golfers who have less

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supination but more wrist extension and a narrower arc width on the way through.

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Over here with Tommy Fleetwood we can see a similar pattern as he's coming through where

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golfers tend to have more of that supination and tend to create more extension of that

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lead arm.

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If you see a golfer who has a look of really wide arms in the follow through and the

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glove hand underneath the trail hand that's typically a sign that they've reached

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one of the a tour level of supination which is closing in on maximum supination value.

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Okay so now we'll take a look at a couple amateurs from that same view.

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So at this point here the the supination graph would look fairly similar but then on the way

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through instead of letting that arm rotate you'll see that the palm stays facing more towards

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the target or more to the right of where the elbow is pointing as the right hand stays

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more under.

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From the pure face on camera angle this would have more of a look of a flip and you could

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see it when the club reaches shaft parallel we would be looking from this direction you

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can see that the glove hand would be above the trail hand.

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Now one of the ways that I do like to train it is with single arm only drills because

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it's very hard to hit the single arm or the lead arm only drill correctly without having

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a fair amount of supination.

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This golfer hadn't quite cleaned up the body pivot to match the supination but you'll

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see on the way through.

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He has a harder time of doing the smooth fluid rotation and you'll see it turns into

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a quick supination but at least now he's closing in on more of a maximum supination value.

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If you were to imagine him reaching his right arm across you would be able to see those

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fingers more underneath.

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This would be getting closer to a look of having great width in the follow through which

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tends to produce more of a consistent flat spot and ball-sraking consistency.

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One more amateur example this is a single digit golfer and you'll see there is some supination

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going on through here but you'll see that it's got a little bit more of that look of the

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back of the left hand staying facing the sky instead of that lead arm rotating over.

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Now over here on the right we'll look at what it looked like after doing a lead arm drill

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that we'll discuss a little bit later.

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You'll see it's still resisting the rotation maybe more so than what we saw with Dustin

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Johnson or Tommy Fleetwood but you can see that if you compare those two positions

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and you were looking from the face on camera angle because you let that lead forearm not

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whole arm but that forearm rotate he reached more of a classic looking position where the

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fingers are underneath here where in this view from the face on through impact you would

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see the glove hand on top of the trailian.

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This the difference in this look was able resulted in moving the low point forward and the

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skull for taking a little bit better divots and more solid ground contact where here he

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was having more of a picking or scooping style release pattern where he was hitting it low

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on the face and just barely brushing the ground.

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So if you struggle with your release and you have more of a flip style release more of

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a chicken wing or an upper body stall and a wrist that's really breaking down on the way

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through you may benefit from having some supination training.

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At the beginning of the video I highlighted this little video I took of Tiger in 2005.

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This was at his tournament he was doing a clinic for kids and he was just answering questions

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and as he was answering questions he was just swinging the club with his lead hand and

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I captured it in slow motion and you can see very clearly that the shoulder is not doing

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most of this movement it's actually going more from the elbow and then transferring that

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movement into the supination and rotation of the wrist and then finishing back in the

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elbow.

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There's a very fluid pattern to the amount of rotation here.

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I asked golfers to swing the club just with the lead forearm.

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This is more commonly what I see and you can see not a whole lot of rotation of the wrist

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through impact and you see a lot more shoulder movement.

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This is more of a chicken wing style and the elbow flip the wrist where this over here

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is a little bit more of what I would consider a tour release pattern that would create

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a very wide arc width and have a really good look of arm extension in the follow-through.

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I'm a big fan of doing single arm drills and I've got about a dozen videos on the site

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relating to the lead arm only training.

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One of the keys to solving hitting the ball with just your lead hand for a 9-3 is learning

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to get more of the absorbing of the force through impact with supination of the lead

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wrist instead of doing it more with extension of the wrist or doing it more with the shoulder.

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I've got a couple of different videos that help with connecting the pivot to the arm

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motion and then I've got a number of drills once you've figured out how that lead arm

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releases to then connect it to the right side of your body.

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In quick word of caution, if you are going to take on working on the supination, the

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biggest mistake I see is as golfers are trying to supinate, they will try to do it

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too rapidly.

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So typically when you have more of a scoops style release, the wrist holds on, holds

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on and then right down at the bottom it tends to release very quickly or go through that

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movement in a more exaggerated fashion or a more abrupt fashion.

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And so golfers typically keep that same tempo when they start working on supination and

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they reach their maximum supination right about here when you're doing these lead arm

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only or you're comparing it to your full swing.

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You want your swing to reach its maximum supination around when the club is parallel

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to the ground or even a little bit after.

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That requires more of the gradual supination instead of whipping it close through supination

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which I think is part of the problem when most amateurs try to apply this on their own.

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So try some of those single arm drills if you're working on your supination pattern

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that will help you learn how to use that lead form correctly in order to create a wide

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and classic follow through looking position.