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Webinar Date 2/4/2019 @ 10:00am PST
Goals:
1 - 3D - Lead Shoulder Movement In Transition
2 - Anatomy - The Foot - Does it have coupled motion like the wrists?
3 - Case Studies - Transition, Arm Shallowing, & Sequencing
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all right hopefully everything is good
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on your end let's uh if you have any
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issues either hearing me or you know
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anything like that then please enter it
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into the chat and I'll I'll pay
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attention sorry again about the little
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mix-up on the date I had the one of us
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had the the day of the week and one of
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us had the number and we got a little
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little confused with our email but I'm
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hoping you'll really enjoy this one I've
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got a couple fun case studies where
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you'll see kind of some troubleshooting
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and some common problems you might face
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and let's see hopefully everything is
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good okay perfect so it looks like
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everything's going good alright so we'll
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jump into the the topics we got a bunch
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of questions to answer but if you didn't
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get in to ask your questions go ahead
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and put them in the chat right now I'll
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be checking that periodically so are our
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main topics today we're gonna look at
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the 3d of the left shoulder in
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transition or the lead arm really
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because we're gonna include the forum a
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little bit then we're gonna look at for
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anatomy we're gonna look at the ankle
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and the foot we a question about kind of
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coupled movements cuz we talked about
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the wrist having some common patterns so
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we're going to talk about the ankle and
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the foot and then the coaches questions
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and swinging discussions so without
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further on the PowerPoint okay so now I
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tried to the videos didn't look that
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great so I'll pop back and forth what I
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mean by that is if the recordings on the
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3d the there's some subtleties in these
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graphs so I'm gonna demonstrate stuff
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but it would be really
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difficult to see unless you're used to
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looking at these particular patterns so
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we've got five graphs on screen that
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we're gonna be looking at a few pros and
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amateurs the two main ones that you
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might not be used to seeing are these
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top two over here on the left is called
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lead shoulder angle lead shoulder angle
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is basically measuring the angle of my
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shoulder across my chest so when the
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graph goes down this angle is getting
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more across my chest and when the graph
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goes up this angle is coming more off my
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chest
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the one just to the right of it is lead
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shoulder lift so this is now measuring
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the angle of my arm up and down compared
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to my chest so if my chest is angled
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this way
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it's basically measuring that so then
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the ones that on the bottom you're
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probably used to seeing this one here is
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the kinematic sequence but I've removed
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the pelvis and the club so it's just
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looking at the link between the upper
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body and the left shoulder and we'll see
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that if you don't have access to these
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two graphs this is a good compromise for
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looking at these two patterns and then
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we have the trail wrist and the lead
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wrist just in case you want to compare
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what they're doing
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wrist wise with what's happening
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shoulder wise so this is a somewhat
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typical pattern when we look at these
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top two graphs the the thing that you'll
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see is if you are leading with your body
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and there's some relaxation or softness
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in your shoulder or there's some lag in
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your shoulder that lag can either come
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from loading across your body or from
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loading more vertically and so you'll
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see that this golfer as he gets to the
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top of the swing this is when the club
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has changed direction so even though the
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club has changed directions you'll see
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that the left arm is still going up
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slightly compared
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to the thorax so what that ends up
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looking like if I back this up enough
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hopefully you can still hear me good so
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if I've got this lead arm here actually
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we'll do it from the face on so if I've
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got this lead arm here if I go with my
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lower body and my chest starts to lower
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you'll see that this is effectively
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floating and going up and that's what
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that graph is showing right there that
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as my chest is lowering if the upper arm
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is staying up I'm increasing the stretch
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vertically in my left shoulder we'll see
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some amateurs who kind of do the
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opposite there now if you're looking at
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the kinematic sequence which is over
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here on the left so this graph here then
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what you'll see is the more that this
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lead shoulder gets pinned across the
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chest the more that the thorax will lead
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the lead arm or the more that the red
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line in this case will be above the
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green line so you can see these two are
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pretty flat here or this one is pretty
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flat in transition and so as a result
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you'll see that the red and the green
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kind of go at a similar slope so now
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we'll go through a handful of pros and
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then a handful of amateurs then we'll
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come back and kind of revisit some of
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these so now here's a another golfer and
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this is what I tend to see in the real
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the golfers who look like they have a
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very body powered swing if you start
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over here on the right you'll see from
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the top of the swing there's a fair
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amount of lift during that early
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transition again that's showing kind of
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lag or stretching or suppleness or
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relaxation in the shoulder and the
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ribcage is basically stretching those
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shoulder blade muscles by using proper
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or better sequencing so you can see down
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in the kinematic sequence the red line
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is changing direction first it's a
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little tough to see just because of how
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narrow I have this graph but you can see
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that there's a little more space
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between the red and the green line they
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do pair up pretty quickly so the space
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would be right there and then they pair
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up when that stretch is pretty much
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staying the same so oftentimes if you're
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having golfers trying to work on lag and
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sequencing looking at this lead shoulder
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and how much it's working across the
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chest versus getting pulled off the body
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is a good way to communicate that with
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your students again we're gonna come
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back to these second time but first
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we're just gonna go through once so that
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you've got a little bit more of a global
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perspective or look at it okay so here
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you'll see if we go to the lifts this is
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grant Waite he has a little bit more
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shoulder pull in his transition pattern
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at least vertically but rotationally you
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can see he has a fair amount of lag so
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if you look at him on 2d you'll tend to
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see that shoulder get more pinned across
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his shoulder or across his chest that'll
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show up here as the red line being above
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the green line for a longer period of
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time now he his lift is not quite as
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dramatic he doesn't kind of really get
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down into his posture he stays a little
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bit taller because of that shoulder
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pulling just a bit but he does have a
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very good lead or lag over here on the
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left
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okay so pattern number four this is
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Ernie ELLs so you can compare these
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against some you know YouTube videos or
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your swing database again very flat his
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peak is just a bit after transition and
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he doesn't have a whole lot of lead
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shoulder load he gets more of his power
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from loading the wrist more of his power
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from loading the lower body doesn't
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quite get as much of that core or
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shoulder load so again you'll see the
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red line in green line pretty much
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matched on top of each other during this
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flat spot there we'll see one amateur
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who does that but you'll see most
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amateurs that'll
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it'll have more of a casting pattern ok
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so then over here on the on the last one
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this is a Davis Love but after he had
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his knee injury so then we've got a
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little bit of a drop down here before it
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it starts to kind of come up right there
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so it's a very subtle little lift
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pattern he kind of pulls a tiny bit with
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his arm and then goes with his body so
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rotationally wise you'll see there's
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kind of that little pull where the green
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is above and then they kind of match up
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when it hits this plateau right about
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here again this will I I don't have from
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when he was kind of in his prime for his
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peak but this was a little bit post his
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ACL injury okay so now let's go through
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and I just want you to look at a couple
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things so you're gonna look at the
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amount of plateau on at change of
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direction and then you're gonna look at
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the second little plateau more right
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around impact so little plateau at
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transition little plateau at impacts
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more stretching it transition little
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plats I would impact a little plateau it
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transition you start to see this pattern
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the plateau is more of the lift and then
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the second plateau is more from kind of
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the good lead arm whip through impact or
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kind of a lifting of that shoulder we'll
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talk about that here in a second
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okay so here is we'll go through a
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couple amateurs now this amateur is
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actually he was a college player so he
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was pretty good and I wanted you to see
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even some pretty good golfers even some
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Tour Pros I mean Charles Howell has a
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little bit of this pattern not quite as
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dramatic but you'll see it start to pull
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down before the club changes direction
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and then
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that he's got a fairly solid release so
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it kind of matches up a little bit
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better there but this is more of a
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subtle difference between kind of
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leading with your core and leading more
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with your shoulder this is a not so
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subtle difference so two things happen
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in this golfer you'll see that basically
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the stretch is maintained the entire
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downswing and then the remember that
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second Plateau this golfer would look
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like he has a chicken wing and kind of
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bending arm along the way through so
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it's not terrible in transition but the
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release is very much there's a straight
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pulling down here I'll show you what
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that looks like a little bit better okay
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so over on the right where you see the
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lead shoulder lift for this when you see
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it going down into the negative it's
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going to go past the body so when this
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golfer is getting to negative 180
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degrees he's basically finishing with
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this arm in kind of that position it
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would be way behind this body anymore
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like this so this would be negative 90
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this would be zero so when you're seeing
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most of them kind of going from about 40
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somewhere in that zone through impact
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when you see this golfer rapidly pulling
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that line down that's gonna look like
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the shoulder is just swinging past the
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body just like so and it's very hard to
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do that in keep this lead angle across
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my body right so it's hard to keep this
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pinned and pull it across that's why you
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see on both of these graphs pretty
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pretty much a single shoulder action
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there and a single shoulder action there
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and it's a little odd that you'd see his
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torso peak while doing that movement he
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probably has more before we lunge but I
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didn't take a look at that movement
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okay so this is that same you know big
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pull pattern a big pull pattern not as
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good in transition you can see that this
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golfer is starting to pull well before
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the clock changes direction so this
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would typically be your more of your
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higher handicap slicer swinging mostly
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with the shoulders and using the body to
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support as opposed to swinging more with
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the core and creating some leg now he
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does get a little bit of rotational lag
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so it's probably not a massive lunge
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he's probably a little bit more of a
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spin spin and chop style slicer but this
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is through impact completely lacking
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that second Plateau which is more of a
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common kind of good release treat
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especially with the driver now this is a
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this is a golfer who is a I'd say about
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a 10 handicap or so and you'll see not
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too bad as far as these patterns go
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so this golfer has more contact problems
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but not so much happening from the
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shoulders it's more what's going on with
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this trail wrist and if we if we look
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for those two plateaus just to kind of
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reinforce the theme of today's shoulder
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lag session you'll see very good as far
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as the shoulder load so on almost too
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long into the downswing there's no real
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release of it so it doesn't really come
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back up too much but then a good plateau
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along the way through and same thing
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here over on the left pretty good as far
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as peaking well after the top of the
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downswing so leading with the body and
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then a decent kind of lift or a plateau
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for a driver on the way through this
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golfer has a little bit more early
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extension pattern coupled with the early
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release of that right wrist so he
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doesn't have a whole lot of shaft lean
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even though he has pretty good body
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sequencing and that results in his
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his hook pattern especially under
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pressure so now for mostly these this
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was probably the first time seeing those
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graphs so I'm just going to go through
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again really quickly so that you can
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kind of see the general pattern so you
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can see kind of the plateau at the top
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and then the plateau at impact
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plateau at the top plateau at impact two
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more prose good and now if you look at
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the amateurs you'll see less of the well
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this was the in-between so kind of the
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you know plus a kneecap college player
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little little goofy movement in his left
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shoulder through here but all in all
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pretty solid pattern this is more of a
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high handicap where you'll see no real
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dip or plateau so very little he's not
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too bad in transition this one's much
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more of the release problem this would
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be more your classic high handicap
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slicer which is pull early from the top
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and then pull even harder through impact
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here's a little better through impact
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but still a bit of or more of a body
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problem so the shoulder might not
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necessarily be the biggest problem for
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this hooker but I wanted to put a fair
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you know some different patterns up
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there so that you could see in compare
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so some of you may be kind of thinking
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through how does the if the lead
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shoulder stays up and back so the let's
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think about how this relates to
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shallowness and path of the club in
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transition so if during that first
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movement the shoulder stays up that's
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going to swing things on more of a
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horizontal pattern so that's a big
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shallow movement but if this arm comes
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across like so that narrows the distance
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it it does create a little bit more
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depth but by narrowing the distance I
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would consider
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that more of a steepening pattern you
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can make the argument both ways but I
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would consider that a little bit more of
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a steep I'm in siding at the same time
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that the lower body is leading that pole
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just like this and it's mostly because
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of the the weight of the club being
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behind the axis that it's rotating on
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and having enough softness to allow for
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it to to rotate down I don't think it's
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a very active forearm rotation I think
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it's much more of a in fact I think
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they're actually trying to start this
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motion pretty early but because of the
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weight of the club and the softness in
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the arm they're allowing it to drop as
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that arm is staying up so that's where I
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talk a lot about using kind of
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relaxation and softness in the arms and
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we're gonna get the shallowing it's from
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these couple shoulder grafts and the
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lead wrist graph where I kind of came to
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that conclusion so we will I'll check
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scan the the chats I know that this
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might be a little different graph and
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hopefully it's it's relatively simple if
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you if you have a Kay vest or something
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like that you can look at the link
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between the thorax and the lead arm and
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if the lead arm is above the thorax then
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you know you're either losing the lead
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shoulder angle which is more most likely
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or you might have to discuss more the
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lifts like we'll do I'll show you in one
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of the case studies later today
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whoops change in that one okay so then
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next we're gonna talk about the foot and
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the ankle unless I see any questions pop
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up on those lead shoulder graphs so the
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the question was basically are there
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couple movements at the ankle similar to
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the wrist so the the interesting thing
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the ankle is quite simple you can you
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can see the bone
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let me bring it so you can see my cursor
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okay so typically the ankle is this bone
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here and this bone here so you got your
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your tibia your fibula and then your
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talus is the foot bone that kind of
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joins the two and you can see the shape
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of them right here bring it back almost
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forms shape of a wrench and so that
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Ridge it's kind of a little bit so
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here's the the talus in between the
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people and tibia and so it really only
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has a lot of movement this way it
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doesn't have a lot of rotation this way
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most of the rotation happens more up at
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the knee which we'll talk another time
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and it doesn't have a whole lot of
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movement this way most of that happens
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below so the ankle itself is a one
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degree of free freedom very simple joint
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it the the bones have a similar shape to
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the the wrist except instead of with the
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foot the the bone is all the way in the
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middle of that with the wrist it's kind
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of at the end so then you have that
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second degree of freedom and then you
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have the
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the multiple degrees of freedom in the
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actual wrist bones so the ankle itself
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is pretty simple which means the foot is
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probably gonna be much more complicated
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that's where a lot of the complicated
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and coupled movements actually happened
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the good news is they're gonna be
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similar to what we're used to seeing
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with the wrist so if we back here's that
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wrench analogy in case you forget and
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you can see this is how those two bones
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look a little bit more in Tomic lee the
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other one was kind of you know animated
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version and they lock onto the talus
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right there so it just acts as a simple
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hinge flexing your foot and extending
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your foot or plantar dorsiflexion now
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when we get to the foot by mechanically
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the foot is typically
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going up into three feet so you've got
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your hind foot which is the talus on top
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and the calcaneus underneath then you've
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got your mid foot which is the navicular
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the cuboid and then your three Cooney
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forms and then you have your forefoot
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which is more like your toes so by
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mechanically there's a fair amount of
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movement at this hind foot joint we're
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gonna talk about that primarily there's
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some important movements at the mid foot
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but the hind foot is probably I don't
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say more important for golf but more
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relevant for looking at the coupled
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motions and then the toes are really
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just kind of for gripping and changing
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adapting to different surfaces so that
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you can have more surface area on
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undulations but for golf the bigger
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issue is here in the mid and the hind
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and especially the hind foot although I
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say that a lot of hind foot problems
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need to be corrected here in the mid
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foot especially the navicular which is
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this bone here connected to the cuboid
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I'll try to simplify that a little bit
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better okay so the main movements we've
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got dorsiflexion plantar flexion which
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is basically if this is my foot just
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doing this movement here and then you've
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got your toe kind of flexion extension
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so at the ankle dorsiflexion and
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plantarflexion are the big two movements
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you'll probably hear eversion inversion
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pronation supination sometimes used
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interchangeably but there are definitely
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some differences so the the hind foot
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the calcaneus can either and invert
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which is basically like rolling in or
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rolling out so if it rolls in so that
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the bottom of the sole is pointing
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outward that's called eversion or a
00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:09.280
valgus calcaneus or a deduction
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if it rolls the opposite direction if it
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rolls out so like rolling to the outside
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of your heel then you'll be able to see
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the inside of the foot pointing inward
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that's inversion that's how I remember
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it and that would be more of called a
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varus calcaneus so the big one for the
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calcaneus on its own is rotating more in
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this direction when a golfer comes to
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you with kind of worn insoles where it's
00:24:36.430 --> 00:24:40.570
down like this that's a big part of it
00:24:40.570 --> 00:24:44.530
but it moves into this blended movement
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which was the ultimate question which is
00:24:47.470 --> 00:24:49.690
looking at supination versus pronation
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so supination is a blend of inversion
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plantar flexion and adduction so it kind
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of goes this way well the cool thing
00:25:00.970 --> 00:25:02.740
there is that's pretty much the same
00:25:02.740 --> 00:25:04.810
thing that the wrist does right so
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planar felt flexion is the funky word
00:25:07.750 --> 00:25:11.470
for pointing your toes inversion rolling
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the sole in and then adduction kind of
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rotating out like that and then the more
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common one the issue we're gonna see a
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lot of is pronation which is aversion
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dorsiflexion or kind of pulling the toes
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up towards the knee and then a deduction
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or basically sliding inward just like
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that so here's just another slide that
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kind of describes those common movements
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so pronation is basically increasing the
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arch supination is sorry
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decreasing the arch for pronation so
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pronation is flat foot and then
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supination would be raising the arch or
00:25:52.420 --> 00:25:54.910
pointing your toes so the easy way to
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kind of visualize it is this slide here
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if you take nothing away from the foot
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mechanics this would be the slide - to
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kind of understand that the the normal
00:26:05.080 --> 00:26:08.620
couple motions are pulling the foot up
00:26:08.620 --> 00:26:10.720
and out the same thing as the wrist or
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:13.570
turning the foot down and in same thing
00:26:13.570 --> 00:26:16.050
as the wrist
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okay so I wanted you to be able to see
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hopefully those funky shapes of the
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talus and calcaneus so this right here
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is in the talus sitting on top of the
00:26:30.899 --> 00:26:33.539
calcaneus it's almost like a saddle on
00:26:33.539 --> 00:26:37.080
top of a weird shaped rock and so it's
00:26:37.080 --> 00:26:43.320
because because of the weird shape that
00:26:43.320 --> 00:26:45.809
it kind of has almost like gliding
00:26:45.809 --> 00:26:47.789
rolling movement so it has a fair amount
00:26:47.789 --> 00:26:51.119
of movement twisting this way it has a
00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:56.190
fair amount of movement rotating this
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way but it doesn't it has a very small
00:26:59.879 --> 00:27:02.190
but important movement kind of rocking
00:27:02.190 --> 00:27:03.809
forward backward to help with d'Orsay
00:27:03.809 --> 00:27:05.909
plantar flexion but the two main ones
00:27:05.909 --> 00:27:08.029
are kind of the rotation of the foot and
00:27:08.029 --> 00:27:13.710
the sliding of the foot so rotating this
00:27:13.710 --> 00:27:16.259
way or pivoting that way whichever way
00:27:16.259 --> 00:27:19.979
you want to kind of freeze it so here's
00:27:19.979 --> 00:27:23.190
a good little example it it pivots this
00:27:23.190 --> 00:27:26.729
way it's sometimes modeled in more of
00:27:26.729 --> 00:27:29.999
kind of a plateau or box shape but it
00:27:29.999 --> 00:27:33.149
also pivots pretty well you can't see
00:27:33.149 --> 00:27:36.690
much so it it slaughtering little
00:27:36.690 --> 00:27:39.179
diagram here where you can see the
00:27:39.179 --> 00:27:41.369
joints and this show is kind of those
00:27:41.369 --> 00:27:44.429
combinated or combination movements the
00:27:44.429 --> 00:27:46.469
actual axis of the joint is like 45
00:27:46.469 --> 00:27:50.989
degrees it's not perfectly flat like the
00:27:50.989 --> 00:27:54.440
like the ankle so you see the ankle here
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:58.919
staying pretty level that's pretty much
00:27:58.919 --> 00:28:02.249
close to the direction in your your foot
00:28:02.249 --> 00:28:04.589
or your knee is pointing but the axis on
00:28:04.589 --> 00:28:07.619
the foot is on a more of like a 45
00:28:07.619 --> 00:28:12.059
degree angle so the axis of the foot
00:28:12.059 --> 00:28:14.670
let's see if we
00:28:14.670 --> 00:28:21.870
do this so bring this back test my if
00:28:21.870 --> 00:28:25.260
extension okay so the axis of the foot
00:28:25.260 --> 00:28:29.160
is kind of on a direction sticking up
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:32.780
more like that so it'll rotate this way
00:28:32.780 --> 00:28:35.190
or it'll rotate that way
00:28:35.190 --> 00:28:37.620
this way that way so the red arrow that
00:28:37.620 --> 00:28:40.950
you're seeing is describing rotating
00:28:40.950 --> 00:28:44.040
around that axis and again it's a couple
00:28:44.040 --> 00:28:46.559
movement because it's physiological
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:53.730
based on the joint now a normal walking
00:28:53.730 --> 00:28:55.440
pattern most of the foot research you
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:57.660
find if you if you look at some YouTube
00:28:57.660 --> 00:29:00.210
or read articles online it's gonna be
00:29:00.210 --> 00:29:03.330
related to gait what should happen is
00:29:03.330 --> 00:29:05.309
you'll have this natural kind of rhythm
00:29:05.309 --> 00:29:08.070
where you'll strike more towards the
00:29:08.070 --> 00:29:10.590
lateral side of the of the heel or the
00:29:10.590 --> 00:29:13.620
calcaneus and then it will follow the
00:29:13.620 --> 00:29:16.799
outside edge to the mid foot and then it
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:20.010
will go to the inside edge so it'll
00:29:20.010 --> 00:29:22.740
pronate through here and then push off
00:29:22.740 --> 00:29:27.120
of the big toe now the problem most of
00:29:27.120 --> 00:29:29.870
your golfers are going to present is
00:29:29.870 --> 00:29:32.280
over pronation so that instead of
00:29:32.280 --> 00:29:33.960
landing laterally and getting out here
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.470
it more lands kind of mid or even on the
00:29:37.470 --> 00:29:40.860
inside and then stays there and it
00:29:40.860 --> 00:29:42.750
doesn't have anywhere to really move to
00:29:42.750 --> 00:29:44.490
because it's already on the inside of
00:29:44.490 --> 00:29:49.290
the foot when it's in this pronated
00:29:49.290 --> 00:29:52.110
state when this foot is rotated down
00:29:52.110 --> 00:29:54.780
like this the foot is kind of locked
00:29:54.780 --> 00:29:58.440
it's almost in a like imagine your foot
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:01.049
in a ski boot instead of like a free
00:30:01.049 --> 00:30:03.840
moving foot and so that's why oftentimes
00:30:03.840 --> 00:30:05.850
when you have that locked foot you'll
00:30:05.850 --> 00:30:08.640
see the whole ankle and foot move as one
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:09.150
unit
00:30:09.150 --> 00:30:11.760
again like a ski boot as opposed to
00:30:11.760 --> 00:30:16.160
moving with a little bit more freedom
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:21.330
the common symptoms you'll find with
00:30:21.330 --> 00:30:26.490
excess pronation are the aversion or
00:30:26.490 --> 00:30:27.870
pointing outward of the couch
00:30:27.870 --> 00:30:32.340
so it kind of falls down that causes an
00:30:32.340 --> 00:30:34.860
internal rotation of tibia
00:30:34.860 --> 00:30:37.080
so some of your golfers who look like
00:30:37.080 --> 00:30:40.250
they have a hard time kind of getting
00:30:40.250 --> 00:30:43.860
lower body rotation it could be a result
00:30:43.860 --> 00:30:45.630
of what's going on at the foot and the
00:30:45.630 --> 00:30:49.590
ankle which has taken away 2030 degrees
00:30:49.590 --> 00:30:53.640
of tibial rotation they'll have more of
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:55.530
a flattening in the arch or this middle
00:30:55.530 --> 00:30:57.390
of the foot will be going down which
00:30:57.390 --> 00:30:59.910
puts excess weight on this first joint
00:30:59.910 --> 00:31:03.090
or the first metatarsal which can cause
00:31:03.090 --> 00:31:07.260
bunions plantar fasciitis heel spurs so
00:31:07.260 --> 00:31:09.870
this over pronation is a very common
00:31:09.870 --> 00:31:13.950
pattern that you'll see and that's one
00:31:13.950 --> 00:31:15.900
of the challenges when you're looking at
00:31:15.900 --> 00:31:19.890
a lot of the foot forceplate studies is
00:31:19.890 --> 00:31:23.309
they don't qualify how that person's
00:31:23.309 --> 00:31:26.490
foot is functioning prior to looking at
00:31:26.490 --> 00:31:29.250
the golf swing so one could argue that
00:31:29.250 --> 00:31:32.910
someone who has a over pronation pattern
00:31:32.910 --> 00:31:35.730
might have a different optimal way of
00:31:35.730 --> 00:31:37.740
producing force through the foot than
00:31:37.740 --> 00:31:40.370
someone who had more of a neutral foot
00:31:40.370 --> 00:31:45.270
but that's not really where a lot of the
00:31:45.270 --> 00:31:47.820
force plate research and golf has going
00:31:47.820 --> 00:31:50.660
yet possibly when we get insole
00:31:50.660 --> 00:31:52.620
measurements people start might start
00:31:52.620 --> 00:31:56.730
looking at that but at least as of right
00:31:56.730 --> 00:32:00.900
now you'd have to get them out of their
00:32:00.900 --> 00:32:04.260
shoes so occasionally when I'm not quite
00:32:04.260 --> 00:32:06.179
sure how that right foot is is moving
00:32:06.179 --> 00:32:08.010
and working I'll have them take off
00:32:08.010 --> 00:32:11.130
their shoes and make a swing not
00:32:11.130 --> 00:32:12.660
necessarily hitting a golf ball just so
00:32:12.660 --> 00:32:15.120
I can see what's happening there at the
00:32:15.120 --> 00:32:21.480
ankle so hopefully that answers one of
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:23.929
the questions about the couple movements
00:32:23.929 --> 00:32:27.780
if you have any any questions I'll scan
00:32:27.780 --> 00:32:32.330
over and check the chat box nothing
00:32:32.330 --> 00:32:36.300
related to the the foot function good I
00:32:36.300 --> 00:32:38.700
know the anatomy is can be challenging
00:32:38.700 --> 00:32:40.350
at first but it
00:32:40.350 --> 00:32:42.360
when you get into higher levels of
00:32:42.360 --> 00:32:44.520
detail trying to understand how the
00:32:44.520 --> 00:32:49.100
pieces work together there's no no
00:32:49.100 --> 00:32:51.780
better way to be able to connect the
00:32:51.780 --> 00:32:53.309
dots than to understand how each of the
00:32:53.309 --> 00:32:57.179
pieces moves together okay so before I
00:32:57.179 --> 00:32:59.549
figured we'd flip it up today and before
00:32:59.549 --> 00:33:02.370
we get to the questions we're going to
00:33:02.370 --> 00:33:08.730
go through the case studies so I've got
00:33:08.730 --> 00:33:12.750
two case studies I'll read this for you
00:33:12.750 --> 00:33:14.940
or kind of skim through it and then I'll
00:33:14.940 --> 00:33:19.440
I'll I'll show you this golfers swing
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:21.270
because I thought this would be a fun
00:33:21.270 --> 00:33:26.250
exercise that I do often times when
00:33:26.250 --> 00:33:27.870
golfers are describing their scenarios
00:33:27.870 --> 00:33:29.700
trying to imagine all right what would
00:33:29.700 --> 00:33:34.380
be the likely patterns so let's look for
00:33:34.380 --> 00:33:38.070
the kind of the keywords in this so this
00:33:38.070 --> 00:33:39.990
golfer contacted me basically said I
00:33:39.990 --> 00:33:41.850
wanted to come in I said send in your
00:33:41.850 --> 00:33:44.340
swing or describe your issue said II
00:33:44.340 --> 00:33:46.640
don't I don't have a current swing but
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:48.679
here's my issue
00:33:48.679 --> 00:33:51.150
so biggest issue I have is hitting the
00:33:51.150 --> 00:33:53.809
ball fat thin and hitting it off the toe
00:33:53.809 --> 00:33:55.799
constantly struggle with finding a
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:57.330
consistent bottom the swing and when I
00:33:57.330 --> 00:33:59.429
do contact is always off the toe
00:33:59.429 --> 00:34:02.159
my typical ball flight is a big hook so
00:34:02.159 --> 00:34:04.409
I'm assuming the swing path is from in
00:34:04.409 --> 00:34:07.890
out when I do rarely get solid contact I
00:34:07.890 --> 00:34:10.260
do hit a 2 to 3 yard tight draw which is
00:34:10.260 --> 00:34:12.869
my preferred ball flight from his good
00:34:12.869 --> 00:34:15.359
playing days when swinging with the ball
00:34:15.359 --> 00:34:19.050
on the tee or are off the toe miss and
00:34:19.050 --> 00:34:22.290
big hits not ball flight starting at or
00:34:22.290 --> 00:34:23.609
slightly ready to the target and then
00:34:23.609 --> 00:34:27.300
hooking or a big push if I try not to
00:34:27.300 --> 00:34:30.570
let the face close at impact ok so with
00:34:30.570 --> 00:34:33.869
those that first paragraph sounds like
00:34:33.869 --> 00:34:36.030
he has an idea what's going on it sounds
00:34:36.030 --> 00:34:39.450
like from this pattern that's probably
00:34:39.450 --> 00:34:41.940
going to be more of one of the big paths
00:34:41.940 --> 00:34:45.840
into out causes and hitting it on the
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:48.629
toe makes sense that it we might be
00:34:48.629 --> 00:34:50.940
dealing with some early extension let's
00:34:50.940 --> 00:34:53.530
see so I tried to fix the toe issue
00:34:53.530 --> 00:34:55.030
by standing closer to the ball which
00:34:55.030 --> 00:34:56.890
hasn't helped so if it was early
00:34:56.890 --> 00:34:59.140
extension that wouldn't necessarily help
00:34:59.140 --> 00:35:02.230
it stands now seems to be fine I have
00:35:02.230 --> 00:35:04.150
tried to fix the issue by swinging more
00:35:04.150 --> 00:35:06.210
left and try to get more over the top
00:35:06.210 --> 00:35:09.280
basically my cut swing trying to get the
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:11.680
club head more in front of my hands on
00:35:11.680 --> 00:35:15.250
the downswing so again if it was early
00:35:15.250 --> 00:35:17.380
extension that would typically cause
00:35:17.380 --> 00:35:20.380
more toe contact and a really kind of
00:35:20.380 --> 00:35:23.470
weak glancing strike and impact because
00:35:23.470 --> 00:35:25.690
it would create that shoulder pull
00:35:25.690 --> 00:35:28.090
pattern that we were seeing in a few of
00:35:28.090 --> 00:35:34.180
those amateurs but that quickly results
00:35:34.180 --> 00:35:36.280
in pull hooks and pull slices okay so we
00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:37.840
know that that didn't work I tried to
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:39.910
fix hitting off the toe issues by
00:35:39.910 --> 00:35:42.130
putting a tee outside the ball and tried
00:35:42.130 --> 00:35:43.870
and knock that tee out but it makes my
00:35:43.870 --> 00:35:46.420
transition too quick and I am throwing
00:35:46.420 --> 00:35:49.150
the club well behind the ball okay
00:35:49.150 --> 00:35:50.800
that's the only little piece that
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:53.440
doesn't match the early extension based
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:56.440
on this pattern at least this was my
00:35:56.440 --> 00:35:58.870
thought process as I read through it so
00:35:58.870 --> 00:36:00.730
the fad thing and off the toe contact
00:36:00.730 --> 00:36:02.650
are obviously exaggerated on the course
00:36:02.650 --> 00:36:05.890
which makes okay yep so that would fit
00:36:05.890 --> 00:36:08.050
maybe an early extension pattern all
00:36:08.050 --> 00:36:09.970
these issues probably result in too many
00:36:09.970 --> 00:36:12.850
things to think about when playing I'm
00:36:12.850 --> 00:36:14.350
sure that's not helpful in the past I've
00:36:14.350 --> 00:36:15.760
always been able to swing at my best
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:18.690
with one or two simple swing thoughts so
00:36:18.690 --> 00:36:21.400
that's just kind of his his subconscious
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:23.950
warning that he's he's scared I'm gonna
00:36:23.950 --> 00:36:26.320
get too technical and he's hoping that I
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:28.870
will keep it pretty simple my hope is to
00:36:28.870 --> 00:36:30.400
find consistent contact and would love
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:31.840
to be able to play my best golf again
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:33.730
I'm 100% committed and willing to put in
00:36:33.730 --> 00:36:35.920
the work let me know if you can think of
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:38.650
fixes I should try or videos to watch
00:36:38.650 --> 00:36:42.160
prior to the lesson so I did send him a
00:36:42.160 --> 00:36:46.180
few early extension videos and then this
00:36:46.180 --> 00:36:48.490
was when I was going through it
00:36:48.490 --> 00:36:51.010
hitting the ball fat then hitting off
00:36:51.010 --> 00:36:52.420
the toe these were kind of my bullet
00:36:52.420 --> 00:36:55.960
points that jumped out to me struggle
00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:59.310
with consistent bottom the swing so
00:36:59.310 --> 00:37:01.660
typically off the toe is more outside in
00:37:01.660 --> 00:37:04.510
unless there's early extension but
00:37:04.510 --> 00:37:06.789
hitting the ball fat then that fit
00:37:06.789 --> 00:37:08.589
early extension bottomless wing fits
00:37:08.589 --> 00:37:11.169
fairly extension big hook and/or block
00:37:11.169 --> 00:37:13.689
its fits early extension so I went into
00:37:13.689 --> 00:37:15.429
this thinking okay this guy's probably
00:37:15.429 --> 00:37:18.989
got some early extension issues
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:25.089
alright so now if we take a look at his
00:37:25.089 --> 00:37:30.039
swing we look at his upper body compared
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:34.119
to the trees oh there's no early
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:38.559
extension so I had him hit you know half
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:41.799
a dozen a dozen golf balls and his path
00:37:41.799 --> 00:37:45.609
numbers you might be able to kind of get
00:37:45.609 --> 00:37:47.650
a rough guess here his path numbers were
00:37:47.650 --> 00:37:49.900
pretty close to zero even on his big
00:37:49.900 --> 00:37:55.150
hooks so he was misdiagnosed in his hook
00:37:55.150 --> 00:37:57.309
because it was actually a pull hook his
00:37:57.309 --> 00:38:00.849
pattern was pretty close to straight or
00:38:00.849 --> 00:38:03.579
his swing Direction was pretty close to
00:38:03.579 --> 00:38:06.999
straight even on his hooked misses
00:38:06.999 --> 00:38:11.859
here's his face on view of the same
00:38:11.859 --> 00:38:16.089
swing so again not much early extension
00:38:16.089 --> 00:38:20.439
but definitely a lot more of the club
00:38:20.439 --> 00:38:23.919
passing so okay we've got more of an arc
00:38:23.919 --> 00:38:26.769
with and low point issue and that is
00:38:26.769 --> 00:38:30.189
fitting the pattern with hitting it more
00:38:30.189 --> 00:38:31.809
on the toe that's fitting the pattern
00:38:31.809 --> 00:38:33.609
with hitting it left if he has any face
00:38:33.609 --> 00:38:36.069
rotation and he's just figured out how
00:38:36.069 --> 00:38:39.699
to kind of lunge and glide the right
00:38:39.699 --> 00:38:43.089
amount to take that release move which
00:38:43.089 --> 00:38:45.219
should move the path more left and make
00:38:45.219 --> 00:38:47.289
it go pretty straight but the result is
00:38:47.289 --> 00:38:51.400
the contact misses okay so we we had a
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:56.259
plan now one of the things was because
00:38:56.259 --> 00:38:59.499
he he said I want to hit a draw I was
00:38:59.499 --> 00:39:02.380
helping him visually get calibrated to
00:39:02.380 --> 00:39:04.449
where the target was and I gave him this
00:39:04.449 --> 00:39:07.839
rough guide to help with getting a
00:39:07.839 --> 00:39:10.269
little bit better delivery position
00:39:10.269 --> 00:39:12.849
because if I come back to this first
00:39:12.849 --> 00:39:16.869
movement oops okay so if I come back to
00:39:16.869 --> 00:39:18.720
this first movement and I look
00:39:18.720 --> 00:39:23.910
this position here you can see that his
00:39:23.910 --> 00:39:27.720
chest is well closed his arm has dropped
00:39:27.720 --> 00:39:30.510
down quite significantly compared to the
00:39:30.510 --> 00:39:33.000
height of his chest and the club while
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:37.140
it's on plane is very high so he's
00:39:37.140 --> 00:39:40.290
retained a fair amount of the vertical
00:39:40.290 --> 00:39:43.800
hinge of his wrist and then as a result
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:47.310
he can't have his body rotate more if he
00:39:47.310 --> 00:39:49.710
rotated his body into a more normal
00:39:49.710 --> 00:39:52.170
looking pattern the club would get
00:39:52.170 --> 00:39:54.630
really steep and he would hit diggy
00:39:54.630 --> 00:39:57.480
diggy contact really bad pull hooks I
00:39:57.480 --> 00:39:59.280
think that's what happens when he tried
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:02.010
to swing more of the cut swing at least
00:40:02.010 --> 00:40:06.030
that's what he identified as well okay
00:40:06.030 --> 00:40:08.250
so then put the stick on the ground to
00:40:08.250 --> 00:40:12.810
help him kind of calibrate whoops so I
00:40:12.810 --> 00:40:14.520
put the stick on the ground to kind of
00:40:14.520 --> 00:40:16.830
help him calibrate a little bit more
00:40:16.830 --> 00:40:20.660
shallowness and we talked about the
00:40:20.660 --> 00:40:23.250
ulnar deviation but he didn't really
00:40:23.250 --> 00:40:25.020
respond well to that we actually worked
00:40:25.020 --> 00:40:26.400
more on that the second lesson he did a
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:27.560
much better job with that
00:40:27.560 --> 00:40:31.380
so with all we did here was we tried to
00:40:31.380 --> 00:40:35.070
get our chest more turned and the club
00:40:35.070 --> 00:40:37.500
more behind or even with this stick and
00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:40.740
so luckily his path numbers didn't
00:40:40.740 --> 00:40:44.190
change a whole lot they did get a little
00:40:44.190 --> 00:40:45.900
bit more in doubt because he said he
00:40:45.900 --> 00:40:47.520
hated seeing anything that curved right
00:40:47.520 --> 00:40:49.020
he wanted to hit more of a fade
00:40:49.020 --> 00:40:54.750
I'm sorry more of a draw so as a result
00:40:54.750 --> 00:40:58.380
of getting a little bit more body action
00:40:58.380 --> 00:41:01.200
in the club a little bit more shallow
00:41:01.200 --> 00:41:02.940
from the arm movement instead of from
00:41:02.940 --> 00:41:06.300
the excessive body staying closed he was
00:41:06.300 --> 00:41:09.510
able to get his hands far enough ahead
00:41:09.510 --> 00:41:12.030
to eliminate the big hook and the pull
00:41:12.030 --> 00:41:15.210
pattern now there's still maybe a little
00:41:15.210 --> 00:41:17.040
bit more we could do with the arms and
00:41:17.040 --> 00:41:20.190
this was on more of a drill but it was
00:41:20.190 --> 00:41:22.940
moving in the right direction so then
00:41:22.940 --> 00:41:25.470
this last one we'll look at for this
00:41:25.470 --> 00:41:28.080
golfer this was more of a full swing
00:41:28.080 --> 00:41:30.690
pattern and you can see he gets Wayne
00:41:30.690 --> 00:41:31.500
goes
00:41:31.500 --> 00:41:33.510
a full swing he was able to keep it
00:41:33.510 --> 00:41:36.030
closed but you can see he really loves
00:41:36.030 --> 00:41:39.900
keeping that wrist angle or the vertical
00:41:39.900 --> 00:41:42.900
hinge and so as a result he kept his
00:41:42.900 --> 00:41:45.810
chest a little bit more closed but now
00:41:45.810 --> 00:41:48.000
he was happy to see the ball start
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:51.360
writin and draw on those shots as
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:54.030
opposed to what he attributed to a hook
00:41:54.030 --> 00:41:57.390
was actually a pull hook a pretty
00:41:57.390 --> 00:42:00.690
significant pole hook given the amount
00:42:00.690 --> 00:42:04.890
of flip okay so then this was that last
00:42:04.890 --> 00:42:07.710
swing so a little bit closer to more of
00:42:07.710 --> 00:42:11.580
a playing swing length and you could see
00:42:11.580 --> 00:42:15.390
he was still able with with a little
00:42:15.390 --> 00:42:16.890
reminder of where we wanted to get the
00:42:16.890 --> 00:42:19.200
hands at impact just did a little
00:42:19.200 --> 00:42:22.190
merry-go-round with the handle location
00:42:22.190 --> 00:42:24.930
he was able to get the hands more in
00:42:24.930 --> 00:42:26.820
front and get the ball flight pattern
00:42:26.820 --> 00:42:32.730
that he was hoping to get so the what
00:42:32.730 --> 00:42:35.430
you'll commonly see video wise with
00:42:35.430 --> 00:42:41.010
golfers who pull that club down if you
00:42:41.010 --> 00:42:43.530
were to look at the height of the let's
00:42:43.530 --> 00:42:46.800
say here's a line for his ribcage you'll
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:50.160
see that that first movement down his
00:42:50.160 --> 00:42:54.360
hands now dropped well lower compared to
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:57.210
the ribcage on the 3d graphs what we
00:42:57.210 --> 00:42:58.890
would have seen is with that lead
00:42:58.890 --> 00:43:02.610
shoulder lift we would have seen a
00:43:02.610 --> 00:43:07.080
pretty sharp drop down you know and
00:43:07.080 --> 00:43:09.620
possibly continue all the way through
00:43:09.620 --> 00:43:11.610
because that shoulder it looks like it
00:43:11.610 --> 00:43:13.320
works a little bit more around so we
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:14.850
would have seen more of that straight
00:43:14.850 --> 00:43:17.700
drop down as opposed to the plateau at
00:43:17.700 --> 00:43:20.490
the top we'll see it a little bit more
00:43:20.490 --> 00:43:24.560
exaggerated in the next case study
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:30.720
okay so this was a fun golfer referred
00:43:30.720 --> 00:43:32.760
to me by a student he read the book he
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:35.070
he's on the site so we're kind of
00:43:35.070 --> 00:43:36.870
speaking the same language
00:43:36.870 --> 00:43:39.810
unfortunately I for some reason I don't
00:43:39.810 --> 00:43:41.700
have any of the recordings from the very
00:43:41.700 --> 00:43:44.670
beginning of this lesson we did a little
00:43:44.670 --> 00:43:48.090
bit of rope training but that didn't
00:43:48.090 --> 00:43:53.190
necessarily clean stuff up he he was
00:43:53.190 --> 00:43:54.420
actually pretty funny I'll use down the
00:43:54.420 --> 00:43:58.650
line he had two two things that he said
00:43:58.650 --> 00:44:01.050
he absolutely hates about his swing he
00:44:01.050 --> 00:44:02.910
doesn't play a lot he travels a lot for
00:44:02.910 --> 00:44:05.640
work right now but he said the two
00:44:05.640 --> 00:44:09.150
things he hates are he has a tendency to
00:44:09.150 --> 00:44:13.470
get the club steep and so he showed me
00:44:13.470 --> 00:44:15.210
on his iPad you know pictures where the
00:44:15.210 --> 00:44:17.720
club was up in line with the left arm
00:44:17.720 --> 00:44:20.430
now using the lens of what we just
00:44:20.430 --> 00:44:22.800
talked about can you see how even on
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:24.420
this drill how much those hands are
00:44:24.420 --> 00:44:26.250
dropping down and the club is staying up
00:44:26.250 --> 00:44:31.110
so then the other thing that he hates is
00:44:31.110 --> 00:44:36.510
on his swing how his hands go more into
00:44:36.510 --> 00:44:39.000
out and this actually wasn't a bad one
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:41.520
this went pretty much more straight his
00:44:41.520 --> 00:44:44.400
hands typically have quite a lot of
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.690
rightward travel through the wall so
00:44:47.690 --> 00:44:50.970
this was him already practicing coming
00:44:50.970 --> 00:44:53.490
in with kind of an idea and saying
00:44:53.490 --> 00:44:55.530
that's about you know as good as he can
00:44:55.530 --> 00:44:57.690
do but he whenever he falls he swings
00:44:57.690 --> 00:45:01.890
full it gets way in out okay
00:45:01.890 --> 00:45:06.090
so I knew I had this gentleman for an
00:45:06.090 --> 00:45:08.430
hour and then he was gonna go somewhere
00:45:08.430 --> 00:45:11.700
and come back and so I I would see him
00:45:11.700 --> 00:45:13.650
two days later after giving him some
00:45:13.650 --> 00:45:16.980
homework so we wanted to address the two
00:45:16.980 --> 00:45:19.290
different pieces of basically learning
00:45:19.290 --> 00:45:21.030
the transition and keep that left
00:45:21.030 --> 00:45:22.500
shoulder high and getting more of the
00:45:22.500 --> 00:45:24.060
shallowing from some of the ulnar
00:45:24.060 --> 00:45:27.480
deviation and then using more of the
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:30.120
body pivot to bring that the arms and
00:45:30.120 --> 00:45:32.880
hands on the way through so this was
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.610
more his delivery and go kind of a
00:45:35.610 --> 00:45:37.420
release real presetting a little bit
00:45:37.420 --> 00:45:39.730
more of the unhinge he naturally wanted
00:45:39.730 --> 00:45:41.349
to have the clubhead way up here so
00:45:41.349 --> 00:45:43.180
after correcting we made sure that the
00:45:43.180 --> 00:45:45.130
club head was under the height of the
00:45:45.130 --> 00:45:48.640
hands but well behind so because this
00:45:48.640 --> 00:45:50.290
was hitting more from the arms and less
00:45:50.290 --> 00:45:52.359
from the body he was able to even really
00:45:52.359 --> 00:45:55.839
exaggerate that handle location on the
00:45:55.839 --> 00:46:00.069
way through we'll see here it is from
00:46:00.069 --> 00:46:02.950
the down the line it might not be you
00:46:02.950 --> 00:46:05.650
know quite perfect I went in to go make
00:46:05.650 --> 00:46:08.319
a little change then backed off cuz that
00:46:08.319 --> 00:46:10.059
was one of his better ones normally he
00:46:10.059 --> 00:46:12.099
was having more hand action on the way
00:46:12.099 --> 00:46:12.339
through
00:46:12.339 --> 00:46:16.180
he loved how his hands came around more
00:46:16.180 --> 00:46:18.730
to the left instead of going off to the
00:46:18.730 --> 00:46:26.829
right so then this was the second drill
00:46:26.829 --> 00:46:29.109
doing a little bit further more of a
00:46:29.109 --> 00:46:30.700
pump where he focused on that ulnar
00:46:30.700 --> 00:46:33.069
deviation and you'll see when he focused
00:46:33.069 --> 00:46:35.859
more in transition he loses the handle
00:46:35.859 --> 00:46:39.420
going left in the follow-through so I
00:46:39.420 --> 00:46:42.970
knew when he came in for that second
00:46:42.970 --> 00:46:45.940
lesson that we were gonna have to work
00:46:45.940 --> 00:46:48.190
on kind of combining the two of these
00:46:48.190 --> 00:46:50.530
movements together because when he
00:46:50.530 --> 00:46:53.290
focused on the transition he'd lose the
00:46:53.290 --> 00:46:54.730
release and then when he focused on the
00:46:54.730 --> 00:46:58.630
release he lose the transition all right
00:46:58.630 --> 00:47:02.079
so now day two unfortunately he's at
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:04.599
that awkward 10 o'clock in the morning
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:08.349
where I get Sun right in my Bay but the
00:47:08.349 --> 00:47:10.450
down the lines will still look pretty
00:47:10.450 --> 00:47:13.990
easy or pretty good so this was him
00:47:13.990 --> 00:47:16.299
completing what he thought was that
00:47:16.299 --> 00:47:24.849
right drill the little release drill and
00:47:24.849 --> 00:47:27.400
we're focusing on keeping the unhinged
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:30.069
and getting the body working more around
00:47:30.069 --> 00:47:32.530
on the way through so after practicing
00:47:32.530 --> 00:47:38.690
it for basically a day was pretty solid
00:47:38.690 --> 00:47:42.830
okay so now our goal was he had a hard
00:47:42.830 --> 00:47:45.020
time doing it more in the full swing so
00:47:45.020 --> 00:47:46.790
this is where we really focused on the
00:47:46.790 --> 00:47:48.590
shoulder staying up a little bit higher
00:47:48.590 --> 00:47:51.010
in getting more of the downward movement
00:47:51.010 --> 00:48:04.400
from the unhinge okay so you'll see as
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:09.440
he starts down you can see how he's
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:13.460
keeping that left arm closer to his
00:48:13.460 --> 00:48:15.170
chest this is was still a little bit
00:48:15.170 --> 00:48:16.490
higher than we like we talked about
00:48:16.490 --> 00:48:18.500
getting it more down here which he was
00:48:18.500 --> 00:48:22.760
able to do once um and then he said he
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:25.400
wouldn't be too unhappy with that
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:27.160
because his hands still worked more
00:48:27.160 --> 00:48:34.070
around so this was focusing on that kiss
00:48:34.070 --> 00:48:36.170
my bicep or keeping that left shoulder
00:48:36.170 --> 00:48:40.210
high but getting the club low by
00:48:40.210 --> 00:48:42.920
unhinging more and so he loved how this
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:44.450
was getting close to that right form
00:48:44.450 --> 00:48:46.940
instead of normally right along the left
00:48:46.940 --> 00:48:50.450
form and then he lost a little bit in
00:48:50.450 --> 00:48:53.720
the release but overall pretty good for
00:48:53.720 --> 00:48:55.610
that length swing it looked like with
00:48:55.610 --> 00:48:58.310
him he could do the 9 to 3 version
00:48:58.310 --> 00:49:00.800
hitting it hard so it became a bigger
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:03.140
problem when he took more of a full
00:49:03.140 --> 00:49:08.480
swing so then this one was focusing more
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:11.870
on the release movement face ons right
00:49:11.870 --> 00:49:14.240
to clear most of his issues show up from
00:49:14.240 --> 00:49:16.310
the down the line so again this is
00:49:16.310 --> 00:49:20.600
focusing more on the release and so
00:49:20.600 --> 00:49:22.430
you'll see when he focuses on the
00:49:22.430 --> 00:49:25.700
release he had a little bit more pull
00:49:25.700 --> 00:49:28.400
down of the arms see that shoulder kind
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:31.510
of disconnect pretty quickly and then
00:49:31.510 --> 00:49:33.800
but because he was focused on the
00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:36.080
release he was able to get the hands
00:49:36.080 --> 00:49:38.390
going more around and the key things in
00:49:38.390 --> 00:49:40.730
the release were rotating the right side
00:49:40.730 --> 00:49:42.530
so right hip and right chest and then
00:49:42.530 --> 00:49:45.560
trying to keep that ulnar deviation or
00:49:45.560 --> 00:49:50.960
unhinge longer so he walked away with he
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:52.020
liked the
00:49:52.020 --> 00:49:53.850
he was gonna do a million of this little
00:49:53.850 --> 00:49:56.400
drill and then when he played he'd focus
00:49:56.400 --> 00:49:58.230
more on the transition and if the hands
00:49:58.230 --> 00:50:01.140
go out a little bit we talked about how
00:50:01.140 --> 00:50:04.230
that would create more of a just a
00:50:04.230 --> 00:50:08.400
subtle in doubt path more so than he
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:09.900
would want so maybe a little over draw
00:50:09.900 --> 00:50:14.490
but overall it be better ground contact
00:50:14.490 --> 00:50:16.350
that was the one thing when we went off
00:50:16.350 --> 00:50:18.420
and practiced on the grass he noticed he
00:50:18.420 --> 00:50:20.190
was taking real divots instead of kind
00:50:20.190 --> 00:50:22.710
of picking the ball which was going to
00:50:22.710 --> 00:50:24.300
be one of our positive signs that we
00:50:24.300 --> 00:50:27.470
were doing things in the right direction
00:50:27.470 --> 00:50:31.500
okay all before I jump into the
00:50:31.500 --> 00:50:35.900
questions I will jump over the chat
00:50:35.900 --> 00:50:39.000
let's see all right we got a couple more
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:42.750
eyes but nothing related to any of the
00:50:42.750 --> 00:50:46.680
case studies so sounds good for me let's
00:50:46.680 --> 00:50:53.820
go into the questions okay so this was
00:50:53.820 --> 00:50:57.650
the description one of Robbie students
00:50:57.650 --> 00:51:00.330
early so he's a new student it looks
00:51:00.330 --> 00:51:03.270
like curious what you wouldn't likely
00:51:03.270 --> 00:51:05.220
take on this golfer since we worked
00:51:05.220 --> 00:51:07.500
diligently on trying to delay the
00:51:07.500 --> 00:51:09.630
positive out-of-plane shaft rotation by
00:51:09.630 --> 00:51:12.060
getting the sweet spot above the hand
00:51:12.060 --> 00:51:15.720
path for longer in the backswing as well
00:51:15.720 --> 00:51:18.030
as earlier downswing ulnar deviation on
00:51:18.030 --> 00:51:20.060
the wrist swing direction is moved from
00:51:20.060 --> 00:51:22.740
minus ten to zero but he served with low
00:51:22.740 --> 00:51:25.950
point being too far back what are my
00:51:25.950 --> 00:51:31.020
thoughts okay so I got it zoomed in a
00:51:31.020 --> 00:51:32.640
little bit we kind of lost the top of
00:51:32.640 --> 00:51:36.150
the swing here but I wanted to be able
00:51:36.150 --> 00:51:40.650
to see the body movement so we can see
00:51:40.650 --> 00:51:45.510
that that movement in transition could
00:51:45.510 --> 00:51:52.080
become a problem for a low point as we
00:51:52.080 --> 00:51:58.350
go through so not a bad looking impact
00:51:58.350 --> 00:52:01.260
position but where he has the club there
00:52:01.260 --> 00:52:03.660
I'm definitely concerned with the
00:52:03.660 --> 00:52:07.040
release in the bottom of this way
00:52:07.130 --> 00:52:10.430
as he goes through it kind of finishes
00:52:10.430 --> 00:52:15.569
more low and left okay so he's got kind
00:52:15.569 --> 00:52:18.300
of a really pronounced kind of tumble
00:52:18.300 --> 00:52:21.750
style of release so I think you're in
00:52:21.750 --> 00:52:25.079
the right ballpark in as far as working
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:28.920
on the trying to get more owner
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:34.589
deviation now depending on the golfers
00:52:34.589 --> 00:52:37.680
skill level so let me okay
00:52:37.680 --> 00:52:41.069
so depending on the golfers skill level
00:52:41.069 --> 00:52:45.180
I would potentially look at the single
00:52:45.180 --> 00:52:48.300
arm releases to see which arm is really
00:52:48.300 --> 00:52:54.450
trying to get the club to kick out
00:52:54.450 --> 00:52:56.339
through there because that's the move
00:52:56.339 --> 00:53:00.329
that kind of concerns me if I were to
00:53:00.329 --> 00:53:04.560
get myself into that position right so
00:53:04.560 --> 00:53:07.859
if I was to have my it's pretty much
00:53:07.859 --> 00:53:10.890
facing the golf ball and then my chest
00:53:10.890 --> 00:53:14.339
closed about twenty thirty degrees but
00:53:14.339 --> 00:53:17.810
the club outside there to me that feels
00:53:17.810 --> 00:53:23.040
very steep because if I have more body
00:53:23.040 --> 00:53:26.040
rotation that would bring the club more
00:53:26.040 --> 00:53:27.780
out there right
00:53:27.780 --> 00:53:31.200
so the unhinge will help but I think
00:53:31.200 --> 00:53:34.859
it's more of this forearm rotation that
00:53:34.859 --> 00:53:38.810
he would need in order to bring the club
00:53:38.810 --> 00:53:41.700
shallow enough that he could have more
00:53:41.700 --> 00:53:43.800
body rotation or body sequencing on the
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:47.880
way through I would probably play around
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:51.690
with setting up like a pool meal or
00:53:51.690 --> 00:53:55.380
something on that particular frame right
00:53:55.380 --> 00:53:57.480
there just making sure that he had an
00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:00.210
object amiss or more likely because of
00:54:00.210 --> 00:54:06.420
how the club goes through there I would
00:54:06.420 --> 00:54:09.270
probably work on the other side and I
00:54:09.270 --> 00:54:11.520
would probably work into trying to get
00:54:11.520 --> 00:54:12.790
the club to exit
00:54:12.790 --> 00:54:16.090
more outside the hands so I would
00:54:16.090 --> 00:54:18.280
probably set up some type of visual
00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:21.940
station for him to follow or I would
00:54:21.940 --> 00:54:25.750
have to or I would stand out there and
00:54:25.750 --> 00:54:28.300
basically have him try and throw the
00:54:28.300 --> 00:54:31.360
club head out to my hand I'm almost 100%
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:33.670
confident he would start by doing it
00:54:33.670 --> 00:54:35.110
like this so he would have to feel a
00:54:35.110 --> 00:54:38.530
little bit more of the face rotation in
00:54:38.530 --> 00:54:41.550
order to get the path out there so I
00:54:41.550 --> 00:54:46.950
definitely see the transition move as a
00:54:46.950 --> 00:54:50.260
barrier that I would want to work on but
00:54:50.260 --> 00:54:53.650
I think that that right there screams
00:54:53.650 --> 00:54:56.020
more of a release issue to me so I would
00:54:56.020 --> 00:54:58.920
start there and then back my way up to
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:07.750
transition oh I see you comment all
00:55:07.750 --> 00:55:10.240
right my comment has to do with the
00:55:10.240 --> 00:55:12.070
ankle movement during the swing since
00:55:12.070 --> 00:55:15.640
they are only allowed they're only
00:55:15.640 --> 00:55:17.830
allowing me to type 200 letters per
00:55:17.830 --> 00:55:19.990
space it's coming will be broken up into
00:55:19.990 --> 00:55:22.180
pieces that's fine
00:55:22.180 --> 00:55:25.060
I'll let you I'll let you type that so
00:55:25.060 --> 00:55:27.160
first in the direction in the backswing
00:55:27.160 --> 00:55:29.290
the ankle has to start to move in the
00:55:29.290 --> 00:55:32.440
direction the foot is pointing due to
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:39.900
the hinge taliss talis joint okay yes
00:55:39.900 --> 00:55:45.880
then the front foot would pronate onto
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:49.210
the the front foot would pronate on to
00:55:49.210 --> 00:55:52.360
the front foot to allow the front knee
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:54.610
to start to point towards the middle of
00:55:54.610 --> 00:56:02.260
the stance yes so the the right foot in
00:56:02.260 --> 00:56:05.620
the backswing is going to have a little
00:56:05.620 --> 00:56:10.150
bit more of the supination while the
00:56:10.150 --> 00:56:12.460
tray of the lead foot is going to have
00:56:12.460 --> 00:56:13.540
more of the pronation
00:56:13.540 --> 00:56:15.880
so they're basically you know rotating
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:19.720
this way now the key is we don't want to
00:56:19.720 --> 00:56:21.869
have too much
00:56:21.869 --> 00:56:24.539
pronation first sorry supination of the
00:56:24.539 --> 00:56:27.869
trail foot or else you'll lose the
00:56:27.869 --> 00:56:29.759
pressure point and you'll typically have
00:56:29.759 --> 00:56:35.460
too much of a lateral sway of the knee I
00:56:35.460 --> 00:56:37.890
have a mat I imagine that this is gonna
00:56:37.890 --> 00:56:40.019
take you a couple to type in there so
00:56:40.019 --> 00:56:43.920
all I'll jump back into the questions
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:47.430
and come back to this once it looks like
00:56:47.430 --> 00:56:48.180
you've got it
00:56:48.180 --> 00:56:54.029
fully figured out there okay
00:56:54.029 --> 00:56:56.130
so Robbie had a couple other other
00:56:56.130 --> 00:56:57.660
questions so hopefully that I would go
00:56:57.660 --> 00:56:58.979
after their release I would go after
00:56:58.979 --> 00:57:01.829
more the rotational aspect rather than
00:57:01.829 --> 00:57:06.049
the onions are getting more of the early
00:57:06.049 --> 00:57:10.499
pronation of the lead wrist and then
00:57:10.499 --> 00:57:13.440
focus on the exit path being a little
00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:16.769
bit more outside the hands because I'm a
00:57:16.769 --> 00:57:19.469
little worried that that movement where
00:57:19.469 --> 00:57:22.529
the club is fee exiting very low is
00:57:22.529 --> 00:57:26.339
related to the release issue in that
00:57:26.339 --> 00:57:28.979
transition movement of kind of pulling
00:57:28.979 --> 00:57:31.380
down and throwing it over would support
00:57:31.380 --> 00:57:33.059
that release movement like make that
00:57:33.059 --> 00:57:36.509
release movement faster okay Robbie had
00:57:36.509 --> 00:57:38.479
a couple other good questions
00:57:38.479 --> 00:57:40.710
unfortunately I wasn't able to find a
00:57:40.710 --> 00:57:42.329
whole lot on Maclean's elimination
00:57:42.329 --> 00:57:44.279
theory so I'll just go off of more your
00:57:44.279 --> 00:57:47.279
description if you want to send me an an
00:57:47.279 --> 00:57:48.809
article or link or anything like that
00:57:48.809 --> 00:57:54.960
I'd be happy to check it out club etc so
00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:57.269
I have a couple questions based on that
00:57:57.269 --> 00:57:59.420
is there a difference between
00:57:59.420 --> 00:58:02.839
introducing a new motor pattern versus
00:58:02.839 --> 00:58:05.339
adjusting an existing or old motor
00:58:05.339 --> 00:58:08.269
pattern or is there a difference between
00:58:08.269 --> 00:58:11.009
using a pre-existing motor pattern
00:58:11.009 --> 00:58:14.999
that's kind of dormant versus building a
00:58:14.999 --> 00:58:16.979
new motor pattern it might be semantics
00:58:16.979 --> 00:58:18.839
I might not I'm not quite sure again I
00:58:18.839 --> 00:58:21.569
don't know enough about McLean's
00:58:21.569 --> 00:58:24.539
elimination theory but as far as
00:58:24.539 --> 00:58:26.809
starting complex and then working
00:58:26.809 --> 00:58:31.499
backwards I think that's you know
00:58:31.499 --> 00:58:34.400
overall a good approach I usually
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:38.359
start with as little intervention as I
00:58:38.359 --> 00:58:41.119
can so oftentimes the first question is
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:42.650
you know okay you didn't know you were
00:58:42.650 --> 00:58:44.420
doing this can you do it and then if
00:58:44.420 --> 00:58:48.920
they can't do it then I'll go more into
00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:55.609
the direct direct issue or a direct
00:58:55.609 --> 00:58:57.859
cause so going through the four stages
00:58:57.859 --> 00:59:01.009
of wariness so if I say okay you didn't
00:59:01.009 --> 00:59:02.150
know that you were swinging ten degrees
00:59:02.150 --> 00:59:04.489
out to the left can you swing it out to
00:59:04.489 --> 00:59:08.449
the right and then if they did let's say
00:59:08.449 --> 00:59:09.859
they did it but with early Accenture I
00:59:09.859 --> 00:59:11.089
said no you got to keep your chest down
00:59:11.089 --> 00:59:12.920
and still swing it out to the right then
00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:15.199
if they weren't able to do it I'd break
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:17.390
it down into the individual pieces and
00:59:17.390 --> 00:59:20.319
help figure out which of those pieces
00:59:20.319 --> 00:59:23.749
had the biggest contribution but I
00:59:23.749 --> 00:59:26.779
normally I always almost always start
00:59:26.779 --> 00:59:29.059
with can you do the movement and brush
00:59:29.059 --> 00:59:31.099
the ground can you do the movement and
00:59:31.099 --> 00:59:34.189
brush the ground in and hit the ball in
00:59:34.189 --> 00:59:36.349
a nine to three then can you do it in a
00:59:36.349 --> 00:59:38.180
10 - then can you do it in a full swing
00:59:38.180 --> 00:59:41.199
so I almost always go through
00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:42.949
eliminating shot intention because
00:59:42.949 --> 00:59:45.529
focusing on ground contact first and
00:59:45.529 --> 00:59:48.619
then eliminating speed and and build it
00:59:48.619 --> 00:59:51.859
up slowly from there but if you I'd be
00:59:51.859 --> 00:59:53.299
happy to take a look if you want to send
00:59:53.299 --> 00:59:54.799
me a an article or a book or something
00:59:54.799 --> 01:00:00.890
like that okay
01:00:00.890 --> 01:00:05.080
before I jump that I see okay so back to
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[Music]
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:13.069
Ed's question so first in the backswing
01:00:13.069 --> 01:00:15.799
the ankle has to start to move in the
01:00:15.799 --> 01:00:18.829
direction the foot is pointing due to
01:00:18.829 --> 01:00:24.229
the hinge taos joint now our are you
01:00:24.229 --> 01:00:27.229
talking about the the lead foot or the
01:00:27.229 --> 01:00:29.479
trail foot because the answer is yes but
01:00:29.479 --> 01:00:31.519
it doesn't so it either moves away from
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:33.380
the jointer towards the joint right so
01:00:33.380 --> 01:00:35.929
it either increases the angle like
01:00:35.929 --> 01:00:38.479
narrowing or it sorry it decreases the
01:00:38.479 --> 01:00:42.109
angle by flexing or it increases by
01:00:42.109 --> 01:00:47.150
planar flexing then the foot would
01:00:47.150 --> 01:00:50.030
Nate onto the front foot to allow the
01:00:50.030 --> 01:00:52.280
front knee start to point more towards
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:53.150
the middle of stance
01:00:53.150 --> 01:00:54.980
yes you will have some pronation of the
01:00:54.980 --> 01:00:57.110
front foot now on the downswing the
01:00:57.110 --> 01:00:59.630
reverse happens the front foot turns
01:00:59.630 --> 01:01:02.990
back to flat and the knee flexion starts
01:01:02.990 --> 01:01:07.610
to straighten out as the pelvis rotates
01:01:07.610 --> 01:01:12.710
back typically the knee flexion is going
01:01:12.710 --> 01:01:15.110
to like while the foot is pronating the
01:01:15.110 --> 01:01:17.120
knee is flexing and then once the knee
01:01:17.120 --> 01:01:19.310
starts to to straighten the foot will go
01:01:19.310 --> 01:01:23.750
into more of a supination pattern is
01:01:23.750 --> 01:01:25.430
that a good way to think of the movement
01:01:25.430 --> 01:01:27.140
of the front ankle okay so we're talking
01:01:27.140 --> 01:01:30.740
about the front ankle yeah so the front
01:01:30.740 --> 01:01:32.660
ankle is going to have more of a
01:01:32.660 --> 01:01:36.560
pronation it gets slightly into the toe
01:01:36.560 --> 01:01:38.750
and then rolls back into supination as
01:01:38.750 --> 01:01:41.480
the leg is straightening that'd be a
01:01:41.480 --> 01:01:43.130
good way to think about it
01:01:43.130 --> 01:01:46.250
Jay was commenting on Robbie student
01:01:46.250 --> 01:01:47.990
looks like on the downswing he may be a
01:01:47.990 --> 01:01:49.730
little bit narrow yeah it would have
01:01:49.730 --> 01:01:51.710
been nice to see a face on with that
01:01:51.710 --> 01:01:54.230
pattern as well but we only had that
01:01:54.230 --> 01:01:56.870
down the line so I was looking at it
01:01:56.870 --> 01:02:00.140
more from Steve shallow now he did say
01:02:00.140 --> 01:02:07.040
low point was the main issue which is it
01:02:07.040 --> 01:02:12.710
would be interesting the typically when
01:02:12.710 --> 01:02:15.320
I'm looking at low point control I'm
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:17.270
primarily gonna look at face on and then
01:02:17.270 --> 01:02:19.070
typically when I'm looking at straight
01:02:19.070 --> 01:02:21.530
or curved I'm gonna typically look at
01:02:21.530 --> 01:02:23.480
the down the line you got to blend the
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:25.220
most together but if I only had one and
01:02:25.220 --> 01:02:27.770
his main issue was low point control I'd
01:02:27.770 --> 01:02:29.510
probably look at more than face on so he
01:02:29.510 --> 01:02:32.240
might have been a little bit too narrow
01:02:32.240 --> 01:02:35.330
and narrow does come from having too
01:02:35.330 --> 01:02:38.810
much of the radial deviation so he might
01:02:38.810 --> 01:02:41.510
be going down there right pattern well
01:02:41.510 --> 01:02:45.560
helping Strout golf well helping a
01:02:45.560 --> 01:02:48.980
student maintain flex in the right knee
01:02:48.980 --> 01:02:52.130
helped with too much lateral movement in
01:02:52.130 --> 01:02:54.410
the forward swing tendency is to
01:02:54.410 --> 01:02:57.080
straighten the right knee too much on
01:02:57.080 --> 01:03:00.690
the backswing so
01:03:00.690 --> 01:03:06.089
my plan is to discuss the knee the next
01:03:06.089 --> 01:03:09.869
webinar because I do think like the the
01:03:09.869 --> 01:03:12.480
knee is a more complicated joint than
01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:16.109
most people give it credit for and so
01:03:16.109 --> 01:03:18.839
the the average I've seen is that the
01:03:18.839 --> 01:03:20.550
trail leg in the back swing only
01:03:20.550 --> 01:03:23.670
straightens about five to ten degrees
01:03:23.670 --> 01:03:26.000
somewhere around eight probably a good
01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:29.310
range if you were to fully straighten so
01:03:29.310 --> 01:03:31.730
if you were to straighten the knee more
01:03:31.730 --> 01:03:35.460
more than 15 degrees ten to fifteen
01:03:35.460 --> 01:03:37.109
degrees then you would have a hard time
01:03:37.109 --> 01:03:40.320
activating the glutes so there's a
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:44.099
trade-off there well we'll talk a little
01:03:44.099 --> 01:03:47.940
bit about where more of that rotation
01:03:47.940 --> 01:03:49.440
happens but what I tend to see is
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:53.190
golfers who try to keep that leg too
01:03:53.190 --> 01:03:53.880
straight
01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:55.490
tend to have a little bit too much
01:03:55.490 --> 01:03:58.740
lateral movement and that allowing that
01:03:58.740 --> 01:04:00.980
leg to feel like it's straightening
01:04:00.980 --> 01:04:03.599
helps create rotation typically it's
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:06.810
actually more flexing of the lead knee
01:04:06.810 --> 01:04:09.630
or bending the lead anymore that creates
01:04:09.630 --> 01:04:12.329
the rotation not so much straightening
01:04:12.329 --> 01:04:14.760
the trail leg but allowing those knees
01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:17.310
to work with a little bit more of a
01:04:17.310 --> 01:04:19.130
feeling of bending and straightening
01:04:19.130 --> 01:04:22.290
tends to help out with too much lateral
01:04:22.290 --> 01:04:27.119
movement during the primarily during the
01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:30.240
backswing the lateral movement during
01:04:30.240 --> 01:04:33.300
the forward swing I would tend to look
01:04:33.300 --> 01:04:35.760
at the knee relationship compared to the
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:38.960
hips so if the knees are what's called
01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:40.829
valgus so if the knees are kind of
01:04:40.829 --> 01:04:43.560
knock-kneed or caved in that will tend
01:04:43.560 --> 01:04:46.130
to create too much lateral movement
01:04:46.130 --> 01:04:49.380
because it's the it's the glutes that
01:04:49.380 --> 01:04:51.510
would typically stabilize that lateral
01:04:51.510 --> 01:04:54.270
movement but if you want to send a
01:04:54.270 --> 01:04:56.369
specific swing that would fit really
01:04:56.369 --> 01:05:00.420
well with the next webinar where I'm
01:05:00.420 --> 01:05:02.480
playing in to look at the knee so
01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:06.329
hopefully you can send something in okay
01:05:06.329 --> 01:05:07.290
let's get back to some of these
01:05:07.290 --> 01:05:12.089
questions so back to Robby's ok for
01:05:12.089 --> 01:05:13.950
golfers who don't can't
01:05:13.950 --> 01:05:16.290
side bend and rotate how do you help
01:05:16.290 --> 01:05:18.480
them decide what ball flight they should
01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:22.920
play I find for most a fade is often
01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:25.230
better for irons but trying to manage
01:05:25.230 --> 01:05:26.940
the path with the driver gets tricky
01:05:26.940 --> 01:05:32.880
what do you prioritize okay so for when
01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:37.160
we're looking at side bend and rotate I
01:05:37.160 --> 01:05:41.040
would distinguish can't versus is hard
01:05:41.040 --> 01:05:43.859
to so once you get over the age of about
01:05:43.859 --> 01:05:46.859
65 you lose about two thirds of your
01:05:46.859 --> 01:05:48.690
lateral bend so you're definitely gonna
01:05:48.690 --> 01:05:50.550
have to change your swing once you get
01:05:50.550 --> 01:05:52.980
to about that age at least you're gonna
01:05:52.980 --> 01:05:55.020
have to change how much side Bend you
01:05:55.020 --> 01:05:58.650
could play around with rotation there's
01:05:58.650 --> 01:06:00.599
lots of different options for where you
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:03.180
can get the rotation from so potentially
01:06:03.180 --> 01:06:08.460
you know looking at it from more of a is
01:06:08.460 --> 01:06:10.020
this a physical restriction or is this
01:06:10.020 --> 01:06:13.200
just a motor pattern that being said if
01:06:13.200 --> 01:06:15.089
you're not gonna use your whole body
01:06:15.089 --> 01:06:19.770
your body a lot then you're the more you
01:06:19.770 --> 01:06:21.510
use your arms the more I think you have
01:06:21.510 --> 01:06:24.060
to focus on rhythm while rhythm is
01:06:24.060 --> 01:06:25.950
really helpful for every golfer I tend
01:06:25.950 --> 01:06:29.220
to think a lot of the more stand up
01:06:29.220 --> 01:06:31.470
throw the arms like it's much higher
01:06:31.470 --> 01:06:34.170
priority in the checklist to have really
01:06:34.170 --> 01:06:36.300
good rhythm because that lack of rhythm
01:06:36.300 --> 01:06:37.829
is going to cause low point and face
01:06:37.829 --> 01:06:42.329
control issues I find for most a fade is
01:06:42.329 --> 01:06:44.339
often better for irons but trying to
01:06:44.339 --> 01:06:48.079
manage the path the driver gets tricky
01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:55.170
the the thing with the the driver one of
01:06:55.170 --> 01:06:57.990
the like one of the ways that I'll use
01:06:57.990 --> 01:07:00.359
track man especially with my older
01:07:00.359 --> 01:07:02.940
golfers is to look at the club head
01:07:02.940 --> 01:07:04.530
speed difference between say their
01:07:04.530 --> 01:07:06.660
driver and their 3-wood and I'll explain
01:07:06.660 --> 01:07:08.849
that most of the guys who are upper body
01:07:08.849 --> 01:07:12.089
dominant do better with a little bit
01:07:12.089 --> 01:07:14.280
more loft or do better with a shorter
01:07:14.280 --> 01:07:17.640
length driver so whether it's a you know
01:07:17.640 --> 01:07:21.000
a strong feeling 3-wood that can be one
01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:22.829
option if you're not going to have a lot
01:07:22.829 --> 01:07:26.720
of rotation but the the simple
01:07:26.720 --> 01:07:30.410
communication or explanation that I use
01:07:30.410 --> 01:07:35.240
is if if I took a sand wedge and put it
01:07:35.240 --> 01:07:37.040
on the ground it's kind of sitting like
01:07:37.040 --> 01:07:39.200
this if I had a driver it's kind of at
01:07:39.200 --> 01:07:42.319
an angle more like that so I exaggerate
01:07:42.319 --> 01:07:44.720
the driver is more horizontal well it's
01:07:44.720 --> 01:07:47.060
very hard to use my arms powerfully and
01:07:47.060 --> 01:07:50.119
not swing more vertically and if a
01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:51.560
golfer is deciding that they're not
01:07:51.560 --> 01:07:53.150
going to do that and they're gonna swing
01:07:53.150 --> 01:07:55.730
basically more arms and more vertical it
01:07:55.730 --> 01:07:58.849
doesn't really fit the shape of the
01:07:58.849 --> 01:08:01.550
drivers wing so I might play around with
01:08:01.550 --> 01:08:04.940
a setup change this would be like I
01:08:04.940 --> 01:08:06.710
think that this would be one of those
01:08:06.710 --> 01:08:10.730
more personal and individual issues do
01:08:10.730 --> 01:08:13.220
you play the ball a little bit more back
01:08:13.220 --> 01:08:17.120
and then do you play the ball a little
01:08:17.120 --> 01:08:20.180
bit more back to help control the face
01:08:20.180 --> 01:08:21.589
rotation do you play the ball a little
01:08:21.589 --> 01:08:23.630
bit more forward and hit more of a hold
01:08:23.630 --> 01:08:24.949
off like there's a couple different
01:08:24.949 --> 01:08:27.529
options I would play around with but you
01:08:27.529 --> 01:08:29.449
might have to get creative for each
01:08:29.449 --> 01:08:32.480
individual who can't side bend and
01:08:32.480 --> 01:08:33.980
rotate depending on how well they can
01:08:33.980 --> 01:08:36.440
release because I think I think if they
01:08:36.440 --> 01:08:38.060
have a really good release I would play
01:08:38.060 --> 01:08:40.880
kind of like a slap hook rather than
01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:43.670
trying to play a fade but if they can't
01:08:43.670 --> 01:08:45.920
rotate side bend and they don't have
01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:48.560
very good clubface awareness or hand
01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:50.810
control and we decide that we want to
01:08:50.810 --> 01:08:52.250
play more of kind of a shoulder pull
01:08:52.250 --> 01:08:53.299
fade
01:08:53.299 --> 01:08:55.130
yes that's gonna get really tricky when
01:08:55.130 --> 01:08:58.219
we get to the driver and you'd have to
01:08:58.219 --> 01:09:00.219
play around with a couple things I think
01:09:00.219 --> 01:09:03.640
so hopefully that hopefully that
01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:07.060
clarifies things I see a question from
01:09:07.060 --> 01:09:09.170
looking forward to your comments on the
01:09:09.170 --> 01:09:11.060
knees a lot of senior players have knee
01:09:11.060 --> 01:09:13.690
replacements when you discuss the knees
01:09:13.690 --> 01:09:17.330
can you talk about that yeah the good
01:09:17.330 --> 01:09:20.199
news is most knee replacements are
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:23.890
they're limiting in rotation which can
01:09:23.890 --> 01:09:27.319
hurt us a little bit but their main kind
01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:29.239
of contraindication is from deep knee
01:09:29.239 --> 01:09:31.969
bends which we don't really get into so
01:09:31.969 --> 01:09:34.880
but I'll make a little note about knee
01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:37.540
replacements
01:09:38.230 --> 01:09:40.819
the knee is a I think one of the more
01:09:40.819 --> 01:09:44.150
fascinating joints they're pretty good
01:09:44.150 --> 01:09:46.880
with it but the replacement is
01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:49.670
definitely different than a natural knee
01:09:49.670 --> 01:09:53.690
so that'll be a fun discussion okay
01:09:53.690 --> 01:09:55.640
three what are some of your favorite
01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:57.440
drills for keeping the mass above the
01:09:57.440 --> 01:09:59.330
hands and the takeaway and during the
01:09:59.330 --> 01:10:01.070
setting phase I've I have several
01:10:01.070 --> 01:10:03.920
juniors who struggled to manage it when
01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:05.990
the chef's pitch gets much flatter than
01:10:05.990 --> 01:10:08.030
the original shaft plane in the
01:10:08.030 --> 01:10:10.760
backswing so I assume by that we
01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:12.710
basically mean that the club gets kind
01:10:12.710 --> 01:10:18.140
of sucked inside a little short so I
01:10:18.140 --> 01:10:20.690
assume by that we mean the club gets
01:10:20.690 --> 01:10:23.660
kind of sucked inside so feeling more
01:10:23.660 --> 01:10:26.360
there where the mass stays above and
01:10:26.360 --> 01:10:28.160
outside the hand so that it can kind of
01:10:28.160 --> 01:10:31.220
drop inside a little bit easier in the
01:10:31.220 --> 01:10:35.300
transition you know I I can't say that
01:10:35.300 --> 01:10:40.040
that's one of my primary focuses I my my
01:10:40.040 --> 01:10:43.430
general order is I build I try to build
01:10:43.430 --> 01:10:45.530
a really good impact and release and
01:10:45.530 --> 01:10:47.540
then go back to transition and then go
01:10:47.540 --> 01:10:51.500
from there to set up and back swing and
01:10:51.500 --> 01:10:55.160
so well I'll have some students who've
01:10:55.160 --> 01:10:57.410
been with me for a little while using
01:10:57.410 --> 01:10:59.410
back swing drills especially in season
01:10:59.410 --> 01:11:01.790
it's not something that every single
01:11:01.790 --> 01:11:06.160
student works on unless they're
01:11:06.160 --> 01:11:09.590
depending on their goals I don't think
01:11:09.590 --> 01:11:12.260
you need to do a whole lot of back swing
01:11:12.260 --> 01:11:16.880
work to get let's say to a single-digit
01:11:16.880 --> 01:11:19.570
handicap unless that back swing is
01:11:19.570 --> 01:11:21.800
massively getting you out of position so
01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:24.800
if it's crazy underneath and so they're
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:29.510
going more this way I would potentially
01:11:29.510 --> 01:11:36.050
try to basically take away the arms and
01:11:36.050 --> 01:11:41.900
hands from the initial trigger so we
01:11:41.900 --> 01:11:44.860
will we'll do some of these hands on
01:11:44.860 --> 01:11:47.480
next week in the cert class but
01:11:47.480 --> 01:11:49.340
basically feeling
01:11:49.340 --> 01:11:51.200
feeling like that first movement is
01:11:51.200 --> 01:11:53.570
controlled more from the core and less
01:11:53.570 --> 01:11:55.670
from the hips so resisting the clog
01:11:55.670 --> 01:11:57.920
resisting the handle in getting more of
01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:00.740
that movement where the the hips and the
01:12:00.740 --> 01:12:03.040
body and the feet and the legs are are
01:12:03.040 --> 01:12:05.270
initiating that movement and then you if
01:12:05.270 --> 01:12:06.440
I'm doing that in the right direction
01:12:06.440 --> 01:12:08.360
it's the momentum of the club that's
01:12:08.360 --> 01:12:12.110
going to keep the mass of the club
01:12:12.110 --> 01:12:14.540
outside the hands it's not necessarily
01:12:14.540 --> 01:12:18.140
going to be a manipulation so typically
01:12:18.140 --> 01:12:20.150
what will happen is golfers who kind of
01:12:20.150 --> 01:12:22.250
suck it in or either over using their
01:12:22.250 --> 01:12:24.680
legs or overusing their shoulders but
01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:26.240
they're in both cases they're probably
01:12:26.240 --> 01:12:29.000
not using their core a whole lot that's
01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:32.510
where you depends on the age of it offer
01:12:32.510 --> 01:12:34.640
since the core is typically like the
01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:37.970
last to grow if they're in the middle of
01:12:37.970 --> 01:12:39.290
a growth spurt that might be a tough
01:12:39.290 --> 01:12:42.620
thing to work on but if they've either
01:12:42.620 --> 01:12:45.620
before it or after it I do a lot of core
01:12:45.620 --> 01:12:50.450
training using bands or me resisting to
01:12:50.450 --> 01:12:52.400
help them feel their their abs and their
01:12:52.400 --> 01:12:55.820
hips controlling the plane of the swing
01:12:55.820 --> 01:13:02.270
more so than just using the hands okay
01:13:02.270 --> 01:13:05.920
I've got a few other questions coming in
01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:10.790
John asked a few good ones here in your
01:13:10.790 --> 01:13:13.130
opinion what does using the big muscles
01:13:13.130 --> 01:13:14.660
mean because as golf instructors we
01:13:14.660 --> 01:13:17.810
probably have heard many times to use
01:13:17.810 --> 01:13:21.260
the big muscles so for me the big
01:13:21.260 --> 01:13:23.330
muscles are a lot of the gym muscles so
01:13:23.330 --> 01:13:27.650
your glutes your abs your lats your your
01:13:27.650 --> 01:13:31.100
shoulders but not so much your small
01:13:31.100 --> 01:13:35.140
muscles meaning your arms in your hands
01:13:35.140 --> 01:13:38.410
so when they say to use the big muscles
01:13:38.410 --> 01:13:42.740
that's typically a sign that you're
01:13:42.740 --> 01:13:45.860
using your legs in your core so like the
01:13:45.860 --> 01:13:48.520
old classic you know ledbetter
01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:51.890
hinge the arms up turn your body turning
01:13:51.890 --> 01:13:53.810
your body would happen more at the hips
01:13:53.810 --> 01:13:57.170
and more at your your abs and core and
01:13:57.170 --> 01:14:02.380
so it would be those superficial muscles
01:14:02.380 --> 01:14:06.130
strength is proportional to muscle size
01:14:06.130 --> 01:14:08.480
so the bigger the muscles the more
01:14:08.480 --> 01:14:10.540
potential they have her creating force
01:14:10.540 --> 01:14:14.480
the other thing is when you tend to use
01:14:14.480 --> 01:14:17.930
your big muscles it allows more of the
01:14:17.930 --> 01:14:20.390
fine-tuning and control to happen with
01:14:20.390 --> 01:14:23.660
your small muscles so I think that was a
01:14:23.660 --> 01:14:25.370
way of kind of training the kinematic
01:14:25.370 --> 01:14:29.270
sequence or training using energy from
01:14:29.270 --> 01:14:31.490
the ground up instead of from the arms
01:14:31.490 --> 01:14:36.050
and hands out but yeah for me the big
01:14:36.050 --> 01:14:39.110
ones are your your glutes your legs your
01:14:39.110 --> 01:14:42.230
obliques and your lats would be the
01:14:42.230 --> 01:14:44.120
major you know some of your shoulder
01:14:44.120 --> 01:14:45.740
muscles as well but those would be the
01:14:45.740 --> 01:14:48.440
big muscles in my opinion what moves
01:14:48.440 --> 01:14:50.060
first in the backswing besides there
01:14:50.060 --> 01:14:52.670
being a slight pressure shift forward to
01:14:52.670 --> 01:14:56.330
start the swing is the lead hand or the
01:14:56.330 --> 01:15:02.690
lead shoulder so the the in order to
01:15:02.690 --> 01:15:06.500
move more distal piece I need to have
01:15:06.500 --> 01:15:09.890
some stability at the proximal piece so
01:15:09.890 --> 01:15:13.160
if I move everything with the wrists and
01:15:13.160 --> 01:15:16.250
forearms first then my body is going to
01:15:16.250 --> 01:15:18.050
be used more for stability
01:15:18.050 --> 01:15:22.010
if I move more from the proximal or
01:15:22.010 --> 01:15:27.080
closer to my Center first then that
01:15:27.080 --> 01:15:29.830
would kind of fit with a more normal
01:15:29.830 --> 01:15:34.280
kinematic sequence pattern so it's the
01:15:34.280 --> 01:15:37.130
lead it basically the pattern would go
01:15:37.130 --> 01:15:39.350
from that left foot all the way up
01:15:39.350 --> 01:15:41.510
through the left leg all the way up
01:15:41.510 --> 01:15:43.280
through the core into the left shoulder
01:15:43.280 --> 01:15:46.300
so basically
01:15:48.090 --> 01:15:50.370
let's say here I'll face you so I'm
01:15:50.370 --> 01:15:53.640
gonna use my left leg in my core and
01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:55.320
then my shoulder and then my hands as
01:15:55.320 --> 01:15:58.320
opposed to using the hands and the
01:15:58.320 --> 01:16:01.290
wrists and then trying to load up the
01:16:01.290 --> 01:16:03.420
core a second that the energy should
01:16:03.420 --> 01:16:06.120
move from that left big toe or that left
01:16:06.120 --> 01:16:08.250
foot all the way up into the left
01:16:08.250 --> 01:16:12.150
shoulder before the hand does anything
01:16:12.150 --> 01:16:15.630
now it's on a small scale but it's a
01:16:15.630 --> 01:16:17.280
muscle activation that creates kind of
01:16:17.280 --> 01:16:19.760
tension so that then when the arms move
01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:22.830
they're moving more connected to the
01:16:22.830 --> 01:16:24.120
rest of the body is instead of
01:16:24.120 --> 01:16:27.660
independent so what moves the hands on
01:16:27.660 --> 01:16:31.770
the proper backswing arc the hands don't
01:16:31.770 --> 01:16:34.590
change a whole lot they stay in kind of
01:16:34.590 --> 01:16:38.100
this little bubble so they they move up
01:16:38.100 --> 01:16:41.220
about 40 degrees they come across you
01:16:41.220 --> 01:16:44.040
know 2030 degrees they Bend a little bit
01:16:44.040 --> 01:16:45.980
but they don't move a whole lot
01:16:45.980 --> 01:16:49.110
compared to what the body does so most
01:16:49.110 --> 01:16:51.810
of the proper art on the backswing comes
01:16:51.810 --> 01:16:54.150
from your pivot in your hand or your
01:16:54.150 --> 01:16:57.260
body action and it's just supported by
01:16:57.260 --> 01:17:04.080
the better hand action I see
01:17:04.080 --> 01:17:06.690
drive hold asking for a test I read you
01:17:06.690 --> 01:17:10.380
routing loud and clear all right John
01:17:10.380 --> 01:17:12.810
can you further explain the back 45
01:17:12.810 --> 01:17:14.970
downswing move is it a diagonal shift of
01:17:14.970 --> 01:17:17.280
the pressure from the trail Hill heel to
01:17:17.280 --> 01:17:19.410
the front toe that corresponds with this
01:17:19.410 --> 01:17:21.420
I see people misunderstand this move by
01:17:21.420 --> 01:17:23.370
squatting down but staying on the back
01:17:23.370 --> 01:17:28.200
foot um yeah so the the Jackson 5 is
01:17:28.200 --> 01:17:32.870
looking at the bump before the turn and
01:17:32.870 --> 01:17:35.190
because your pelvis if you're looking
01:17:35.190 --> 01:17:40.920
from overhead let's say here we are so
01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:43.710
here we are let's say we're looking if I
01:17:43.710 --> 01:17:47.010
rotate about back 45 to move the hips
01:17:47.010 --> 01:17:49.650
towards the target it's actually where
01:17:49.650 --> 01:17:52.200
if I rotate 45 degrees then to move
01:17:52.200 --> 01:17:54.120
towards the target it's actually bumping
01:17:54.120 --> 01:17:57.270
more on a feeling of back 45 compared to
01:17:57.270 --> 01:17:59.190
the pelvis it's actually moving more
01:17:59.190 --> 01:18:00.410
slightly in the door
01:18:00.410 --> 01:18:03.620
the target but what I find is that some
01:18:03.620 --> 01:18:05.570
golfers are bumping this way and then
01:18:05.570 --> 01:18:07.160
they turn their body and now they're
01:18:07.160 --> 01:18:10.340
bumping that way so the back 45 is just
01:18:10.340 --> 01:18:12.800
accounting for the sensation difference
01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:15.950
for when you're doing it with no hip
01:18:15.950 --> 01:18:17.780
rotation or pelvis rotation that when
01:18:17.780 --> 01:18:19.940
you're doing it with a full pelvic
01:18:19.940 --> 01:18:25.520
rotation number five have you tested any
01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:27.650
of Mike atom screens where did he get
01:18:27.650 --> 01:18:31.160
them I have no idea I have not to be
01:18:31.160 --> 01:18:33.710
fair I have not taken any his classes
01:18:33.710 --> 01:18:36.590
but I have talked with kind of a number
01:18:36.590 --> 01:18:39.020
of people who do and most of my
01:18:39.020 --> 01:18:42.290
questions are related to like the actual
01:18:42.290 --> 01:18:46.310
movement so I'll say like our last
01:18:46.310 --> 01:18:49.400
questions like how can how can I apply
01:18:49.400 --> 01:18:53.600
his screens to other sports or like okay
01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:57.620
if I wanted to look at a golfer swinging
01:18:57.620 --> 01:18:59.690
more on the forum plane or more on the
01:18:59.690 --> 01:19:01.010
shoulder plane what's gonna look
01:19:01.010 --> 01:19:05.360
different on 3d and they can't I haven't
01:19:05.360 --> 01:19:07.310
gotten any good answers to those
01:19:07.310 --> 01:19:10.130
questions the the common answer is well
01:19:10.130 --> 01:19:12.110
you'll see it on video if you draw this
01:19:12.110 --> 01:19:13.730
line and you look at it in reference to
01:19:13.730 --> 01:19:16.610
those lines but that's for me there's
01:19:16.610 --> 01:19:21.350
way too much air in in diagnosing that
01:19:21.350 --> 01:19:25.490
as well as there's not enough like I I
01:19:25.490 --> 01:19:26.870
still that still doesn't help me
01:19:26.870 --> 01:19:28.520
understand what the movement differences
01:19:28.520 --> 01:19:30.170
are so that if I want to coach a
01:19:30.170 --> 01:19:32.690
different movement I can figure out what
01:19:32.690 --> 01:19:34.160
part of the body is not working it's
01:19:34.160 --> 01:19:35.720
still just looking at where the club is
01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:39.500
in space compared to the body so I don't
01:19:39.500 --> 01:19:41.570
know exactly the story behind him or
01:19:41.570 --> 01:19:43.640
where he's gotten them I know that he
01:19:43.640 --> 01:19:46.820
gets some good results with them but I
01:19:46.820 --> 01:19:48.830
know that some people who have taken the
01:19:48.830 --> 01:19:51.020
classes don't get the same level of
01:19:51.020 --> 01:19:55.220
consistent results so I I personally
01:19:55.220 --> 01:19:59.060
don't use any of his his screens or
01:19:59.060 --> 01:20:02.780
tests in in the pattern or in my
01:20:02.780 --> 01:20:07.790
teaching I should say same thing with I
01:20:07.790 --> 01:20:10.070
think it was asked earlier but same
01:20:10.070 --> 01:20:11.040
thing with
01:20:11.040 --> 01:20:13.760
right
01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:24.210
so drive hold can we go back to Robbie's
01:20:24.210 --> 01:20:28.230
golfer well let me answer this last one
01:20:28.230 --> 01:20:29.369
so then I don't have to come back to
01:20:29.369 --> 01:20:30.389
this page and then we'll go back to
01:20:30.389 --> 01:20:32.719
Robbie's golfer
01:20:32.719 --> 01:20:35.820
how can you load into the ground on the
01:20:35.820 --> 01:20:39.540
way down without pushing up out of it so
01:20:39.540 --> 01:20:44.730
the the simple answer is you can push
01:20:44.730 --> 01:20:47.460
against the ground but that doesn't mean
01:20:47.460 --> 01:20:52.650
that you would have to go up so you know
01:20:52.650 --> 01:20:56.340
if I'm if I'm squatting then I'm pushing
01:20:56.340 --> 01:20:57.989
against the ground as I'm lowering and
01:20:57.989 --> 01:21:00.300
then I push against the ground with more
01:21:00.300 --> 01:21:03.030
force than I'm lowering and that stops
01:21:03.030 --> 01:21:06.179
me and then I push and with more force
01:21:06.179 --> 01:21:08.219
than my body pushing down and I start to
01:21:08.219 --> 01:21:12.989
move back up now what can happen is when
01:21:12.989 --> 01:21:14.790
I push with that lead leg because my
01:21:14.790 --> 01:21:17.280
upper body is behind it that lead leg
01:21:17.280 --> 01:21:20.730
push can help extend the hip and the
01:21:20.730 --> 01:21:23.130
extension of the hip can help create
01:21:23.130 --> 01:21:26.489
some ribcage rotation so I can create
01:21:26.489 --> 01:21:29.849
more body rotation from pushing into the
01:21:29.849 --> 01:21:32.460
ground doesn't necessarily have to
01:21:32.460 --> 01:21:35.969
create an upward movement it frequently
01:21:35.969 --> 01:21:39.559
does but it doesn't it doesn't have to
01:21:39.559 --> 01:21:44.849
so the main muscles that will push
01:21:44.849 --> 01:21:46.920
against the ground or my quads and my
01:21:46.920 --> 01:21:51.300
thighs my hips and a little bit from my
01:21:51.300 --> 01:21:55.710
trunk pushing down into that foot but
01:21:55.710 --> 01:21:58.710
then when I start pushing up out of it
01:21:58.710 --> 01:22:00.960
for many golfers that out of it becomes
01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:03.570
more of a sight side Bend rotation not
01:22:03.570 --> 01:22:07.500
necessarily a vertical movement and so
01:22:07.500 --> 01:22:09.179
that's why it doesn't necessarily look
01:22:09.179 --> 01:22:15.540
that way for many golfers but I don't
01:22:15.540 --> 01:22:16.800
think I told the answer to your question
01:22:16.800 --> 01:22:18.869
about misconception on seeing the
01:22:18.869 --> 01:22:21.000
squatting move of staying more back on
01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:23.730
the trail foot yes one of the issues I
01:22:23.730 --> 01:22:25.800
see with the squatting move is that they
01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:28.199
tend to kind of squat down in place
01:22:28.199 --> 01:22:30.750
instead of it's more like a lateral
01:22:30.750 --> 01:22:32.640
lunge than it is like us
01:22:32.640 --> 01:22:35.600
why and so when you think squat
01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:38.060
oftentimes you don't have enough of the
01:22:38.060 --> 01:22:41.220
lateral shift which is why I emphasize
01:22:41.220 --> 01:22:44.790
the back 45 or the Jackson 5 move okay
01:22:44.790 --> 01:22:54.740
so going back to Robby's golfer so
01:22:54.740 --> 01:22:58.200
wasn't the student doing coronal
01:22:58.200 --> 01:23:02.310
adduction instead of transverse
01:23:02.310 --> 01:23:07.110
adduction so on the way down this is
01:23:07.110 --> 01:23:10.170
where I would I would separate the arms
01:23:10.170 --> 01:23:12.450
that's why I would do if I was working
01:23:12.450 --> 01:23:14.010
with him and in person I would do a
01:23:14.010 --> 01:23:17.880
single arm release trill so I would look
01:23:17.880 --> 01:23:19.020
at the right arm and the left arm
01:23:19.020 --> 01:23:22.110
because this pattern here could be more
01:23:22.110 --> 01:23:23.640
of a dysfunction of what's happening at
01:23:23.640 --> 01:23:26.520
the right arm or it could be a
01:23:26.520 --> 01:23:28.350
dysfunction of what's happening at the
01:23:28.350 --> 01:23:30.810
left arm he's definitely going into what
01:23:30.810 --> 01:23:33.620
I would call more internal rotation and
01:23:33.620 --> 01:23:38.760
not having enough adduction but I also
01:23:38.760 --> 01:23:41.250
think that that left forearm is totally
01:23:41.250 --> 01:23:43.650
out of position as well and that left
01:23:43.650 --> 01:23:48.840
forearm not having enough pronation at
01:23:48.840 --> 01:23:51.930
that point could account for the the
01:23:51.930 --> 01:23:56.690
path and the Club difference as well so
01:23:56.690 --> 01:23:59.940
you could you could go after the
01:23:59.940 --> 01:24:01.860
shoulder I would I would break it up so
01:24:01.860 --> 01:24:05.160
that I could see which arm reveals more
01:24:05.160 --> 01:24:08.130
of the pattern either one or both and
01:24:08.130 --> 01:24:13.050
then try to intervene from there but yes
01:24:13.050 --> 01:24:15.780
the the shoulder is out of position just
01:24:15.780 --> 01:24:21.420
as much as the forum okay and then I had
01:24:21.420 --> 01:24:26.700
a few questions from Chris
01:24:26.700 --> 01:24:28.980
so some golfers teach going from
01:24:28.980 --> 01:24:30.780
external rotation to internal rotation
01:24:30.780 --> 01:24:32.970
with the right arm shoulder is the
01:24:32.970 --> 01:24:36.930
fastest producer of speed right arm and
01:24:36.930 --> 01:24:41.800
adduction thoughts so that's a
01:24:41.800 --> 01:24:45.490
that's a tricky one mostly because I
01:24:45.490 --> 01:24:47.830
don't have a ton of good shoulder data
01:24:47.830 --> 01:24:50.110
the only one I know who collects
01:24:50.110 --> 01:24:54.130
shoulder data is Quan and he's got kind
01:24:54.130 --> 01:24:56.230
of a limited pool and I don't have
01:24:56.230 --> 01:24:58.420
nearly enough to look at and make any
01:24:58.420 --> 01:25:03.850
real conclusions but the that makes
01:25:03.850 --> 01:25:06.460
sense from more of a shoulder
01:25:06.460 --> 01:25:09.340
perspective but when you start to take
01:25:09.340 --> 01:25:13.120
your when you take your right arm from
01:25:13.120 --> 01:25:16.000
external to internal typically you're
01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:19.450
going to stop your ribcage and you're
01:25:19.450 --> 01:25:23.050
gonna stop your body's rotation so while
01:25:23.050 --> 01:25:25.720
it may produce faster speed I think it
01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:29.170
produces tougher locally control I think
01:25:29.170 --> 01:25:31.900
it produces a tougher path and I think
01:25:31.900 --> 01:25:36.130
it produces more face change so I don't
01:25:36.130 --> 01:25:38.770
know that the extra speed is work worth
01:25:38.770 --> 01:25:40.120
the extra chaos
01:25:40.120 --> 01:25:44.020
unless you're training for more of a
01:25:44.020 --> 01:25:46.030
long drive pattern and even then I don't
01:25:46.030 --> 01:25:47.890
know that it's the best way I would I
01:25:47.890 --> 01:25:53.190
think it's more of a feel versus a real
01:25:53.250 --> 01:25:56.320
- is there a default fulcrum between the
01:25:56.320 --> 01:25:58.420
right and left hand on the handle the
01:25:58.420 --> 01:26:00.790
club wood bracing with the handle
01:26:00.790 --> 01:26:04.300
transfer speed so similar to the your
01:26:04.300 --> 01:26:06.630
idea about external versus internal
01:26:06.630 --> 01:26:12.280
rotation yes in theory if I were to stop
01:26:12.280 --> 01:26:14.350
the handle of the club I could get more
01:26:14.350 --> 01:26:17.020
speed at the bottom but I would also
01:26:17.020 --> 01:26:20.710
have a lot of loft change and I would
01:26:20.710 --> 01:26:24.630
have a really difficult time producing a
01:26:24.630 --> 01:26:29.080
flat spot so it might sacrifice my
01:26:29.080 --> 01:26:31.090
consistency of contact and my face
01:26:31.090 --> 01:26:34.750
control so even if I got you know an
01:26:34.750 --> 01:26:37.600
extra mile or so I don't know that it
01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:39.400
would be worth it because I don't know
01:26:39.400 --> 01:26:41.460
that it would translate into improved
01:26:41.460 --> 01:26:44.970
performance or better golf
01:26:45.619 --> 01:26:50.969
typically what what I see is that the
01:26:50.969 --> 01:26:55.349
grip continues moving so the fulcrum is
01:26:55.349 --> 01:26:58.250
a little bit higher up somewhere between
01:26:58.250 --> 01:27:01.650
the grip and the spine not necessarily
01:27:01.650 --> 01:27:04.080
all the way down at the grip but in
01:27:04.080 --> 01:27:06.900
theory yes bracing it would transfer
01:27:06.900 --> 01:27:10.440
speed better in theory if you're trying
01:27:10.440 --> 01:27:12.659
to create maximum speed you wouldn't
01:27:12.659 --> 01:27:17.190
want to have like angles and lengths
01:27:17.190 --> 01:27:21.150
left in the left in the tank so like in
01:27:21.150 --> 01:27:24.210
theory to create maximum speed you would
01:27:24.210 --> 01:27:25.830
want your trail arm and trail wrist
01:27:25.830 --> 01:27:27.210
perfectly straight at impact you
01:27:27.210 --> 01:27:32.429
wouldn't want them to be bent so I think
01:27:32.429 --> 01:27:35.639
that some of the things that we do as a
01:27:35.639 --> 01:27:40.860
compromise of speed and direction limit
01:27:40.860 --> 01:27:43.619
our ability to create maximum speed but
01:27:43.619 --> 01:27:46.619
give us better distance because of the
01:27:46.619 --> 01:27:50.790
the object that we're forced to use can
01:27:50.790 --> 01:27:52.739
I give a detailed presentation on
01:27:52.739 --> 01:27:54.659
transferring speed from the handle to
01:27:54.659 --> 01:27:57.900
the club head so I'll probably work that
01:27:57.900 --> 01:28:00.119
into another where we'll use some 3d
01:28:00.119 --> 01:28:04.170
graphs but basically the transferring
01:28:04.170 --> 01:28:06.510
one of the interesting things in golf is
01:28:06.510 --> 01:28:11.099
that amateurs and pros roughly get the
01:28:11.099 --> 01:28:14.040
grip moving at about the same speed
01:28:14.040 --> 01:28:18.000
miles per hour but pros typically
01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:20.250
transfer that speed or convert that
01:28:20.250 --> 01:28:23.070
speed and a lot more angular speed at
01:28:23.070 --> 01:28:26.130
the club head where amateurs typically
01:28:26.130 --> 01:28:29.130
get a lot less of it so that indicates
01:28:29.130 --> 01:28:31.199
that it's not necessarily just the
01:28:31.199 --> 01:28:33.300
ability to create speed but it's the
01:28:33.300 --> 01:28:36.300
ability to transfer or deliver that
01:28:36.300 --> 01:28:39.270
speed from the handle to the club head
01:28:39.270 --> 01:28:42.210
that's the real differentiator compare
01:28:42.210 --> 01:28:44.460
that to you know throwing a ball is the
01:28:44.460 --> 01:28:48.030
classic example where in order to throw
01:28:48.030 --> 01:28:48.750
a baseball
01:28:48.750 --> 01:28:50.460
100 miles an hour you've got to get your
01:28:50.460 --> 01:28:52.950
hand throughout going 100 miles
01:28:52.950 --> 01:28:55.860
and very few people are capable of doing
01:28:55.860 --> 01:28:56.310
that
01:28:56.310 --> 01:29:01.200
well pros might swing the handle only
01:29:01.200 --> 01:29:03.270
one or two miles per hour faster than
01:29:03.270 --> 01:29:04.830
amateurs but they might swing the club
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head you know 10 to 20 or more miles per
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hour faster so it's more about the
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transferring them speed so to transfer
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the speed supination and ulnar deviation
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seem to be the most important - for
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transferring speed from the handle to
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the club head if you do it more
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flexion-extension then you have a big
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radius change and you have a big loft
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change if you do it pronation supination
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you tend to have more of the face angle
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change but you tend to not have a radius
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change if you do it more only R
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deviation you tend to not have a lot of
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Club face change but you tend to have a
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radius change so I think those two blend
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a more consistent radius and a better
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clubface control and if you look at your
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muscle fiber size supination is one of
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our strongest and most powerful
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movements that's why for right hander
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you've got righty-tighty and lefty loosy
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so they made it so that supination was
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the loosening movement because you you
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would have to be able to loosen like if
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you could tighten it more than you could
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loosen it you'd never be able to get
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something undone so they made the
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strongest movement which is the
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supination pattern the loosening pattern
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but supination we typically a more
01:30:36.090 --> 01:30:38.400
muscle mass related to supination than
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pronation so if we're looking at back to
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one of the questions of the big muscles
01:30:45.030 --> 01:30:46.470
the big muscles of the forum would be
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more in supination than it would be in
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pronation okay
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[Music]
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I see one other question with the DST
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Training Club help awareness of the
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white movement possibly I think that the
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the the DST I feel when I've only swung
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it you know handful of times I felt like
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it gave more of an awareness of
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shallowing in a transition then a whole
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lot of release training but I think you
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could use it to elevate the person's
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awareness the white movement certainly
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so I'll hang on for a couple minutes if
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you have any questions coming in go
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ahead and shoot them now if you think of
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something later and you want to answer
01:31:43.499 --> 01:31:45.899
it at the next webinar please let me
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know if you are coming out next week for
01:31:48.449 --> 01:31:52.229
the live level to can't wait to show you
01:31:52.229 --> 01:31:53.999
the manual and present everything
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hopefully it's it's very well received I
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think it's gonna go through a lot of the
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the how and the why and some pretty good
01:32:03.059 --> 01:32:06.239
detail so I don't see any other
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questions coming in if you think of
01:32:07.949 --> 01:32:10.469
anything shoot me an email as always I
01:32:10.469 --> 01:32:12.389
appreciate having you guys come on these
01:32:12.389 --> 01:32:16.050
calls let me know what you thought if
01:32:16.050 --> 01:32:17.339
there's anything you want me to cover
01:32:17.339 --> 01:32:21.209
either in the anatomy or in the 3d but
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my plan for next time is looking at the
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knee so if you have any specific
01:32:24.899 --> 01:32:27.239
questions about the knee or as it
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relates to the swing it'd be great if
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they were if the questions were focused
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in that area as well so happy start to
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the new year I look forward to doing
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another one of these with you here at
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the end of the month