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This content video is answering the member question,

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pulling the arms down to shallow.

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Um, so, uh, this is potentially gonna be a fun one.

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Um, I've, I've, I've seen a bunch of, uh,

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Instagram videos about golfers talking about pulling the

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arms down to shallow,

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and I had a member question come in about that.

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Um, so I thought I'd kind of walk

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through my thought process there.

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Um, I think when it comes to steeps

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and shallows, some, some movements are debatable.

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Um, others are a little bit more clear cut.

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Um, but oftentimes you'll see, uh, one version

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of tour golfers, um, where they talk about keeping the back

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to the target and kind of pulling the arms down.

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And when you, when you see

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that from the down the line camera,

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that makes the club get down in this space

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under the plane, well behind them.

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Um, and so it's pretty logical to think

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that pulling the arms down there, um, wood shallow the club.

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Um, but I'm gonna show you in this video that, uh, in,

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in the way I look at it, pulling the arms down is a steeper,

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and it's just the other things

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that they're doing at the same time

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are what creates some of the shallow.

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So we'll talk, we'll end up landing the plane

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and we'll end up, uh, kind of summarizing the video with

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what are the big downswing shallow that we want to try

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to train if we're trying to, uh,

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get out of more of a steep pattern.

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So, uh, first let's talk

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through a couple different things on this.

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Uh, arms pulling down one, um, when it comes

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to steepening versus flattening the shaft, you can see

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because the center of, of mass

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of the club is way up here, um, it's pretty simple.

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If I push down on the top of the club, that's going

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to cause the club to steepen its pitch.

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And if I push up on the bottom

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or out on the bottom, that's going to cause the,

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the club to shallow.

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So in order for me to get the forces through my hands

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to create a shallowing action, um, there has to be something

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where either the,

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the fingers on the left hand are pulling up,

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or the palm on the right hand,

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or the underside here, um,

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is pushing out kind of more like this.

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If I'm pulling down with my, uh, hand, um, on top

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of the club that is going to cause it to steepen.

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So oftentimes what golfers are doing,

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or is when they're demonstrating this,

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they're twisting the club with their forearms and shoulders.

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So they're rotating their arms this way,

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um, as they're lowering it.

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Well, if I was to, uh, twist the club without lowering,

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this would actually be even more shallow.

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Um, my hands would be higher.

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Um, and potentially I would be so shallow that I would be

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above the ball and actually miss the ball.

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So that would actually be steeper than if I was

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to pull the arms down.

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The other component is, uh, the body component.

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So the, the one of the big movements that steepens the club

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for a lot of golfers is spinning the shoulders

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or basically, uh, rotating the shoulders from the right side

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of the body like this to the left side of the body, like

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that early in transition.

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Um, when you do that, that tends

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to move the handle out towards the target line,

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and it tends to, uh, um, pull with that left shoulder,

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which causes the club to get more vertical.

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So it has two kind of steepening actions.

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So when I focus on bringing the arms down here, um, the,

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the thing that it encourages is keeping the back

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to the target, especially when you hear golfers, um,

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describe turning the hips while keeping the

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chest facing backward.

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Now we're adding spine rotation

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to the right while keeping the shoulder blades closed.

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Those are two of the really big shallows.

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Um, so a feeling of pulling the arms down.

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Really what that can do is that it can help the middle

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of the spine and the shoulder blades, uh,

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execute the shallowing movements, which can help, um,

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get the club to look a little bit more

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shallow from the down the line.

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But the actual action of pulling the arms down

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by itself in my book, it makes it work more, um, narrow

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and it tends to cause the club to rotate in a steep fashion.

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So to me, that's a big steeper, not a shallower.

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Um, so I mentioned at the beginning, I kind of tie it to,

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um, the big shallower are going to be some

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of this rightward rotation, so getting more

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of the sequencing where the lower body is rotating, um,

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as opposed to the shoulder blades.

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Um, so the shoulder blades staying a little bit more, uh,

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rightward rotated compared to the body instead of, uh,

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leftward rotated.

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That's one of the big shallower.

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And then the arm rotation, uh, whether it's forearms

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or shoulders, um, that's gonna shallow the club as well.

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We also have, uh, width, so widening, um,

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but that's, that's more about kind

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of creating the shallowness down at the bottom

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and less about the apparent angle that we tend to see, um,

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kind of the shallow angle of the club

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that we tend to see in transition.

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So hopefully this helps, uh, clarify a few things.

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Um, be careful with, uh, the kind of,

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uh, have a thought process as far as understanding

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what creates steepness, what creates shallow,

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what creates speed, all those things that'll help you be a

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little bit more discerning when you're navigating that.

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The just overwhelming amount of information

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that we typically see on Instagram and YouTube.

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So I've done videos where I talk about kind

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of the unifying theories

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and if I want to get a little bit more shallow feeling

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more like either my back stays to the target

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or my shoulders tend to

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stay closed a little bit longer,

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those are the things that shallow.

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And when I do that, it could feel

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like I'm pulling my arms down.

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But it's not the pulling of the arms down

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that actually shallows the club.