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Shouldery vs Wristy

Golfers have described bad swings as wristy and handsy for quite some time. Oftentimes, I think poor shoulder movements are the real cause of some wristy swing looks. The shoulders can change low point dramatically, speed up clubface closing, and create a narrower flat spot if they do too much poor movement down at the bottom. in this video, we explore how to think about analyzing your shoulders vs wrists.

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In this concept video, we're going to address the idea that you're not risty, you're

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shoulder-y in your swing.

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So this concept video we're going to discuss the role of the shoulders versus the

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role of the wrist, especially down in the release.

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So a lot of golfers complain about being really scoopy, flippy, risty, kind of, you know,

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having more of a look of the arm's bending, the club getting closer, the club passing,

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fast over taking rate, whatever you want to call it.

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Well, one of my theories on that is that the shoulders actually have a bigger impact

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on your low point control as well as your face control down in the bottom then perhaps

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the wrist.

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And I'll show you what I mean.

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So there are two ideas in play.

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One is club face control and two is low point control, or solidness of contact.

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So when we're talking about low point control, what you'll see is if I hold the club straight

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out in front of me and I just go really risty and use my wrist back and forth, kind of

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like this, you'll see that the club is continuing to come back to a round the same area.

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So if I was down here and truly risty, so didn't try to not move a whole lot other than

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just my wrist, which is virtually impossible, but I'll try.

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My contact in my low point actually isn't that bad.

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Now I'm a little weak because all I can use is my wrist, but I'm making relatively solid

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contact because the wrist is relatively simple joint and it's going to bring the club

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back to a pretty narrow range.

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Now on the other hand, if I change my shoulder blades, kind of like this.

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So if I take my shoulder blades and really reach or bring my shoulder blades back, you can

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see how much the club would move.

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I could be this high off the ground and then just use my shoulder blades to move the club

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a good six inches or so.

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So now if I don't use my wrist, but I just try to move my shoulder blades, it's very hard

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to make solid contact.

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Even if I add a little bit of pivot, I've tried this many times and it is really challenging

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to reach with the shoulder blades in the exact direction and make solid contact.

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So if I keep my shoulders more connected and just use the wrist, I tend to get a little

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bit better contact rather than if I just use my shoulders.

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So that's kind of theory number one.

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Theory number two is club-paced control.

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So if I put my shoulder, my trail arm, an external rotation, a little bit like this and

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the lead arm, so I'm in this good impact position.

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Now if I rotate my forearms as much as possible, you'll see from this overhead camera

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that I can get that pointing, you know, a good 20 degrees to the left.

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Now if I was to change that and stiffen my forearms, but then rotate my shoulders.

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So kind of like I'm using a steering wheel and rotating that steering wheel to the left,

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you can see that I can turn the club a great range of motion.

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Right?

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So a lot of golfers who have trouble with pulling the ball or possibly getting the path

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going way to the left, that can be if I rotate my shoulders a lot, then I can hit some

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quite nasty, an early pull start line.

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Where on the other hand if I keep my shoulders more in this external rotation position or if I

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keep them in kind of this under position like that.

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Now if I rotate my forearms a lot a lot a lot, it's still quite challenging.

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To hit it more left than in that case I hit it, you know, maybe 5 10 degrees left

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as opposed to 30, 40 like I was doing with the shoulders.

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So the double benefit of having the shoulders in a little bit more stable position when it

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comes to quality of strike is it helps control the width or the radius control and it helps

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be a governor for not being able to close the club face too much.

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So those are two different direction ideas.

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Now the last one you would say, well what about power?

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And yes there are definitely some golfers, especially if you're core and your spine is pretty

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stiff, who get a lot of power from reaching or pulling with those shoulders and getting that

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shoulder blade change. So from really throwing with those arms and those shoulders,

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they some golfers do create a fair amount of speed.

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Now I'm going to pose the kind of play devil's advocate.

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If I had a medicine ball and I was going to throw it down target line kind of like this,

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I would probably if I had a heavy enough object and I wanted to really use my bigger muscles

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on my core, I would connect those shoulders just like I was doing a medicine ball movement in the

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gym. I wouldn't hold the medicine ball out like this and try to throw it because I would be weaker

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in rotation. Now if I was going to throw the medicine ball down, then I would let the

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shoulders come up and I would really kind of pull them down. I wouldn't lock them in because I

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would be weak in this up and down motion. So I can make the argument that if you are trying to create

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the power through your core, more rotationally, then connecting the shoulders is actually going

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to transfer and make your core more powerful. But if you're going to create the power more vertically

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using those shoulders, then disconnecting the shoulders would make you a little bit more powerful.

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So as far as using the shoulders versus the wrist, a lot of golfers who look on, you know,

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are told that they look very scoopy, that can actually be a really fast shoulder change motion

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rather than a fast wrist change of motion. So I tend to now support them a lot of golfers who

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look very risty down at the bottom, actually look risty because they're overusing their shoulders.

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So if it's something you haven't explored in your in your release or in your impact ideas,

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then I would definitely look at some of our drills relating to the shoulder connection,

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or if you're going to connect the shoulders, you have to learn how to use the forearms a little bit

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better, otherwise it'll take away some of your, you might flare them off to the right.

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It's the most common one. So working through some of the shoulder and the forearms drills can help

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on three different fronts that all results in a lot more consistency. So hopefully this helps

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clear up some of the ideas of why I advocate some of the shoulder and forearm movements the way

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that I do. I think if you do them, they help with power creation if you're doing it rotationally,

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they help with low point control and they help with a straightness of contact or not worrying about

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over closing the club base. So try that for a little more consistent release pattern.

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you

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