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This is a concept video.

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I'm going to answer a member question about getting your trail arm in front of your body.

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So how do a couple of videos on the shoulders?

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And this particular question was relating to external rotation of the shoulder.

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And basically if you're limited in external rotation of the shoulder, how is that going to

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show up as far as the elbow getting in front of or behind your hip?

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So I'm going to talk through that look.

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So external rotation of the shoulder is typically looked at or tested in a couple different

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ways.

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So you can test it up here, which would be basically if you don't move your chest and

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you have your elbow at about 90 degrees, how far back behind your spine can you rotate

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that arm.

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Now the tour average is somewhere around here, 110 degrees.

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But I have lots of golfers who are more straight up and down.

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This is where you start to feel stiff.

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Now I would double check that down here.

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So this is a little bit more relevant for the golf space, which would be if I have my arm

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here at the side and I just keep my elbow up against the side and I look at how much I

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can rotate it there.

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If you can't move it very much, then we're going to use that as kind of like a zero or

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90 degrees depending on how you're looking at.

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But basically we're going to call that kind of neutral.

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If you can't even get it in line, then I'd say that you're pretty restricted in your external

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rotation and you're going to have to make some adaptations.

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Now when it comes to the wipe, you'll see I'm fairly flexible in this external rotation.

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So I'm going to have more of a look of that elbow getting almost all the way to my belly

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button.

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But the important thing is that it's working across this way, not so much how far it goes.

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So let's just investigate.

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If I was to block this at 90 degrees, kind of like this, and then I was to rotate my body

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now the club would be there when my arm is in this position.

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I'm not really stressing how much external rotation I have.

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It's kind of right here.

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Now you can look and you can see that compared to the video, my elbow is a little bit past my

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hip because I've kept it more in.

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Second, it starts to straight.

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It will straighten.

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It will usually rotate and we'll tend to have this look of getting behind.

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So if I keep that in and I get to here, I didn't take nearly my full range of external rotation.

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Now what I would have to do is I would have to maintain the extension of the wrist.

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So if I have, if I actually put my arm in a little bit of internal rotation, just like this.

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So if I put my arm in a little bit of internal rotation, but keep extension of the wrist,

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I can still get a look of at impact that arm in front of my body or in front of the hip.

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Now if I tweak that, if I exaggerate the external rotation position, that will look kind of

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more like this.

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So you'll see visually exaggerating the external and internal rotation position there.

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Doesn't have as much of an impact on the look of the elbow in front of the hip as the wrist extension

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nor the hip rotation.

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So again, if I have this in a slightly internal rotation position, but a lot of wrist extension

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like this, and then I get a lot of pelvis rotation, it would look kind of like that.

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And if we saw that down, if we take a look at it, you'll see that the elbow is close to in line with the hip.

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What most people, what most amateur is kind of struggle with is having more of this gapping

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where you'll see is a lot of space.

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If it's close to in line and we're talking about some of these little degrees here and there,

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yes, at a higher level it'll have an impact.

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But usually what we're discussing is more of this gross pattern where the elbow is getting

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behind kind of like that.

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The bigger issue there is more the wrist and the fact that I'm hitting it all with the arm.

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So when I hit it mostly with the arms, I don't get my pelvis open and my wrist is pretty close to

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neutral it impact instead of still having a little bit of that extension or getting into that

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trail arm working towards that trail arm stop sign movement.

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So if you're if we're kind of recapping this, unless you are stuck and you can't get past,

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say here, when you're trying to do external rotation.

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If you're this as far as you can get, then you're even more it's more important for you to

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focus on that trail wrist extension and getting your hips open on the way through.

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If you have normal range of motion or even if you're on the higher end, then you won't have to

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exaggerate the wrist quite as much in order to get that look of the arms being ahead.

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One other thing to factor is when I talk about the hip rotation, one of the common reasons that

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a lot of people suffer from getting the elbow in front is because the rib cage gets in the way

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because of early extension. So if you make sure that you're bent over enough it's set up,

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you know bent from the hips and that you stay in that posture, that helps create a lot of the space

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for your arms to work in front of your body. If you do that, you're going to notice that you

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won't have to stress your external rotation quite as much as you might be imagining.