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Wrist Flexion Extension Speed Through Impact Discussed

In this golf smart insight, we cover a very detailed question about the general pattern of why the lead wrist extends slower than the trail wrist flexes. From what I see on graphs, the variance in the extension and flexion of the wrists has more to do with which arm is in control, and how much ulnar and radial deviation is happening.

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in this golf smart insight we're going

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to answer a question about the risks

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from michael on facebook so michael was

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asking

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a very technical question and if you're

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a beginning golfer

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please turn this off and just go look at

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some of the other drills because

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this is going to be some some high level

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theory stuff

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but michael was asking on 3d graphs

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you'll frequently see

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that the trail wrist is going to flex

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through

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impact at a rate faster than the left

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wrist is going to extend

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now whether that's one to one so they're

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going the same

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whether it's one to four which is about

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the most that i've ever seen where this

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is going four times faster than this one

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that's uh that's kind of up to a little

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bit of different swing styles

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but generally you're going to see the

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right wrist going at least

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twice as fast as the left wrist is going

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to be extending

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so the question is why well i don't have

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the

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the answer but i have some things that

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make sense to me so i'll present them to

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you here in this video

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so anytime i'm looking at a movement

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there's primarily three things that

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we're going to look at we're going to

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look at

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path face and power so how does this

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movement help me create speed

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how does this movement help me control

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the path how does this movement

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affect the face to the path now because

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this is happening

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literally you know inches before impact

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it's probably

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not going to have a drastic effect on

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the face and path

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so let's go at power because that's

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where i think that

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this difference is really going to show

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up more so from the power perspective

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there's two things that we need to

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address one

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how the heck are we gonna create speed

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two how are we gonna control that speed

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and what i mean by that is how are we

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gonna safely

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stabilize because in most sports there

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is a

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follow through for a reason it helps you

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can handle the

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the speed and the force that you have

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created with the object whether it's my

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arm and i'm throwing a ball

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or it's a bat and i'm swinging it how am

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i going to

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safely handle all this force that's

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coming back at me from the implement

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that i've created

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so one of the studies that i love from

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from baseball and i learned about this

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in one of my czech classes

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was they took a baseball pitchers and

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they basically

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monitored their contribution of speed by

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joint

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and what they found was you know once

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you got them up let's say you were

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throwing 90 miles an hour there was kind

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of a

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everybody had their own pattern of how

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much speed they were creating from their

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legs from their trunk

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and from their shoulder and from their

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arms well as they got tired so as they

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did through 50 60 pitches

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the interesting thing was the velocity

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of what they were throwing the ball

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pretty much maintained the same the ones

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who were more prone to injury

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basically changed their pattern of how

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they were creating the speed

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so instead of having let's say 25 coming

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from the legs it was now only 20

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and they were getting much more from the

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arm those players would be much more

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likely to suffer

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you know some type of elbow injury when

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they would get tired

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so the thing the takeaway that i took

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from this

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particular study is that we have

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kind of this governor in us that allows

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us to only move something

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so fast that we can control it it's kind

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of like when you're

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sprinting and you come to a downhill and

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your legs just start moving so

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fast that you can't handle it you have

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to kind of throttle yourself back

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so even though you're physically capable

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of going faster

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because you don't have the stability in

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place to handle it

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it's going to be a problem in your brain

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recognize that and pulls you back

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so how does that apply to this movement

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in the golf swing well

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i think the important question is you've

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created

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100 pounds 150 pounds of force

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by getting this light object to swing

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100 you know 110 miles an hour or

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whatever

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well you have to handle that force in

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one way or another

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so i always ask people what muscle

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pathway

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would you like to have handling a

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hundred hundred fifty

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pound force going down away from you

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like so

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and if you look at it from that

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perspective i think it'll start to make

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sense

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why the left wrist is going to be

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not flexing very very quickly and the

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reason is

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the right wrist when it flexes and the

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tricep extended

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extends this is all helping to create

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speed but as we've seen from a lot of

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golfers

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the the right hand is going to be

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relatively loose and in some golfers

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it's even coming off the club

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the right hand is in a very poor

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position for stabilizing that speed

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it's kind of more like baseball um where

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you'll typically see

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after contact with a lot of hitters that

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lead hand

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or sorry that trail hand come off the

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club because it's in a poor position to

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stabilize that force

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where the lead hand is actually in a

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pretty good position to be able to

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stabilize it

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so i think what the lead arm is going to

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be doing

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from about there

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through till the end of your swing is

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helping to stabilize this force that

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we've created

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as opposed to contribute much more force

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i think that's going to be coming more

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from the trail side based on the

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movements that the trail side is doing

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so if we're looking at how we're going

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to stabilize force with the lead

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arm there's a couple different pathways

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to get it from my hand to my shoulder

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right if i was to supinate like so

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or if i was to ulnar deviate that's

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going to activate muscles down

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this inside edge of my arm which is

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going to help

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support kind of my external rotators and

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my shoulder

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so this movement kind of all works well

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together

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and that movement is going to involve

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some big muscles like my shoulder blade

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depressors

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such as my lat and my mid trap so when

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this weight gets moving

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very very quickly i'm going to have this

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shoulder kind of in a good supported

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position so that it can support it

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if i was to have my shoulders kind of

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shrugged and my elbows out like so

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and i got this weight moving 150 pounds

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it would be

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the same thing as if i was trying to do

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a shoulder shrug like this of 150 pounds

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if i personally was to do that you know

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80 90 times a day which is roughly a

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round of golf

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i would probably end up with shoulder

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and neck dysfunctions

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not that i don't already have those but

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it would be drastically worse

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so if i was to flex this wrist somewhat

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aggressively

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it will activate the muscles and you can

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see them kind of activate there

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it will activate the muscles more on the

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top side of my forearm which will

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connect more with my anterior delt and

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upper trap

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so doing this very very rapidly you'll

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see that my arm actually wants to shrug

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up as opposed to when i go like this my

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arm actually wants to kind of

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shrug down or screw into place so

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if i'm going to extend it wouldn't work

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well with

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the rest of my body as far as

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destabilizing or stabilizing the force

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because the rest of my body my arm is

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going to be extending through that phase

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even if that left wrist is going to be

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extending a little bit as well and it's

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not really

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that it's going to be extending it's

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coming from a flex position towards

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neutral

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it doesn't actually get into its

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extended position until

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after i've made contact with the golf

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ball for the most part

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so i think that it's more of a product

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of how i'm going to stabilize

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and i'm sure that this will lead to more

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questions which will be great

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but if we look at kind of how rotation

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happens in the spine and the ribcage

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where basically if i flex

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one side of the body and i extend the

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other or if i

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push away with one side and i pull away

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with the other that creates rotation

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it would start to make sense as to why

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this right side may be going down and

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through and this left side would be

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going back and up

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and if the left side is going back and

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up it doesn't make sense for me to

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extend this wrist

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very aggressively it may not affect

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contact but it would definitely affect

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how i would stabilize the force in the

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follow-through and i think that would be

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the bigger issue

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