Feeling of swinging club head out at release

Found a pretty good video on here of what I was looking to understand for anyone interested:

https://www.golfsmartacademy.com/golf-instruction/member-question-converting-linear-angular-speed/

and a good complimentary video:

https://www.golfsmartacademy.com/golf-instruction/investigating-arm-bracing/

Her’s another good one to conceptualize the release.
https://www.golfsmartacademy.com/golf-instruction/seated-release-training/

The backswing planes are less important than loading the body correctly, but the main thing is not to suck the clubhead too far inside too quickly. A decent rule of thumb is to have the butt of the club pointed somewhere near the target line after shaft parallel going back(ideally just inside the ball). Coming down, in response to body movement, the shaft lays down a bit so that the butt will point just outside of the ball for the initial stages of the downswing. Cam Champ is a strong example. Hope this helps!

Zach

Hi Gabriel,

Good question. I'll probably do a little video in the near future to help answer it better, but in the meantime, we can discuss it.

In Dr. Kwon's Functional Swing Plane model, the club head and shaft will be fairly planer from parallel to parallel. It's my understanding this is largely a component of the centripetal force.

But I think there's a little more to it.

I think that the wrists moving toward ulnar deviation help create some fascial tension that helps the repeatability of the path and club face.

So the wrist sequence I teach in the release videos should help create this look at impact of the club pointing close to in line with the lead arm. If the angle is less, then there will be a tendency for a narrower flat spot, more of a left start line, and faster club face rotation.

Some golfers benefit from trying to limit ulnar deviation, but I believe that's because that helps them avoid an upper body stall, more so than what's happening at the wrist.

Let me know if you have any follow up questions, I'll add them to my notes for a video addressing this topic.

Happy Golfing,
Tyler

Learning from your videos on how to shallow properly by supinating the the right forearm in the downswing, as opposed to unhinging the wrists, in combination with those other videos I previously shared really helped properly conceptualize the shaft plane in the swing.

I used to stand close to the ball and unhinge aggressively to try to hit down on the ball, I had maxed out toe down lie angle, basically I think my arms and shaft were one giant steep plane. I probably actually had the reverse where the angle between the handle and my lead arm was more rather than a straight line or less. I actually hit pretty good low fades with that and could hit the middle of the face almost perfectly. But I wanted to hit a draw and also have better launch monitor stats. I struggled on trying to swing in to out, I literally could not get an in to out swing path on a launch monitor no matter how much I tried and I was beginning to get nasty heel shots, which frustrated me to no end considering I previously hit the middle of the face automatically. Now it makes sense that I was just coming in too steep because I wasn't shallowing, and I was too mechanical with other aspects of my swing, now I try to use the bracing and body turn to move the shaft out of the way.

I think of it like: A vertical downswing, the shallowing movement + the bracing techniques whip the club around into downward force, and the rotation of the body and the pulling on the club handle snap the club head into the ball with the completion of the snap happening after the ball; swinging through the ball.

For more context, this is my source of my information. I basically wanted the Tyler version of that Chris Ryan video: https://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/50876-dr-kwon-and-functional-swing-plane-vs-chris-ryan-video-hand-path-explained/

Your explanation makes sense, but don't get the fascial tension part. My question is, with the swing you teach I should aim more for a shaft and lead arm line with no angle as opposed to Dr. Kwon's Hand Motion Plane being 10 degrees steeper than the Functional Swing Plane? Any difference between club lengths or no?

Thanks for sharing the Chris Ryan video. That helps provide more context. I can do a video discussing his video and the concept.

In the video, I'll try to clarify my statement about tension, because to me, fascial tension is a key component for why you see certain variations of swing elements with different golfers. For example, I think you could reach the 10-degree steeper than the functional swing plane in a handful of ways. Some of those ways would work well and produce good contact and ball flight, others would create erratic contact and ball flight. But if you create fascial tension, whether it's 10 degrees, 5 degrees, or zero degrees, you'd achieve a level of swing width and clubface control that would help. But given normal anatomy, the average of around 10 degrees sounds about right.

Tyler