By: Zach F on Sept. 23, 2024, 2:54 p.m.
Hi Tyler!
If I stop myself here, maybe just shy of followthrough, what should I feel to be tight and contracted? Trail side oblique crunch? Turtle shell abs/glutes? Which muscles would you recommend keying on to make sure the hit has occurred with the body?
TIA
Zach
By: Zach F on Sept. 25, 2024, 5:43 a.m.
I think I may have answered my own question:
It’s the oblique crunch followed very soon by the turtle shell abs that actually pulls your body into extension, isn’t it? Paradoxically the butt tucking under in the turtle shell abs pulls your hips under your ribs and the T-spine extending is almost a reflex or response to the club pulling you through. You’re not necessarily “leaned back,” maybe with longer clubs moving at speed you will as a reaction, but the basic motion just gets you into a neutral standing position. Am I understanding this more correctly ?
You probably don’t need or want to know this but I regression therapied the exact concept that led me astray here- I was watching golf one Sunday and Ian Baker Finch was on the telestrator talking about how after impact the clubhead pulls the trail side around. Am I right in thinking he’s referring to the tugging sensation of extension but has his timing slightly wrong? That the action of the trail side core musculature is actually responsible for moving the passive flying wedge through impact, and that pulling or tugging happens later?
Thank you in advance!
I’m excite even if I’m not correct yet, this is tough for me to understand.
Z
By: Tyler F on Sept. 28, 2024, 6:24 a.m.
In that first position, what you feel will depend on your body. I think the majority of people feel more of the stretch on the lead side rather than the contraction on the trail side. But if it is the trail side the contraction moves like a wave from the abs to the back as you're going into extension. So where you feel the contraction in the core depends on where you stopped in the wave. The key muscles would be obliques and erectors (transverso spinalis and iliocostalis). I think more people feel it in iliocostalis on the back side as you get more toward follow through.
Ian Baker Finch is probably describing more the feeling of the scaps staying closed (back to the target) rather than spine/hip rotation. So I wouldn't say it's a timing discrepancy, more of a area of awareness discrepancy. I think that tug feeling requires good bracing and the arms being soft enough to get pulled while the wrists work in a good release pattern. Do those three and you'll feel that tug he discusses.
Tyler
By: Zach F on Oct. 6, 2024, 4:29 p.m.
The thing that’s getting me here is the sequence…. When does the tug happen, for a closed shoulder scapular-feel guy? Prior to arriving at the follow through position, but post impact, correct? In my imagination there’s a point when the arms straighten-the Rottweiler runs out of leash, so to speak- then the tug leads me to the follow through position where my whole body is facing the target. Is that accurate? Tiger talked about feeling his turn after impact, and I infer from that that he might also be a closed shoulder scapular feeling guy? It's confusing trying to decode everyone’s individual languages… how in the world did you do all this? You really are like Willy Wonka
By: Tyler F on Oct. 14, 2024, 10:28 a.m.
Zach,
Yes, that sounds like an accurate description. I hadn’t heard Tiger’s description of his trunk turning after impact. Do you have a video or article? I believe you, and I think it’s a great description for many, but I always try to validate sources :D
I’m working on a pivot program that I think will help tie a lot of this stuff together, but it’s turned into more work than I originally thought. I don’t know if I’d go all the way to Willy Wonka, but I think we share a similar level of obsession with our craft.
Tyler
By: Zach F on Oct. 14, 2024, 3:04 p.m.
https://youtu.be/xOecUNBV_Q0?si=Rr-27E0OCgpU6MnJ
Around the 5:20 mark. I’d remembered a little inaccurately; he talks about his arms beating his hips, but I believe it’s the same general idea.
There was another program that talked about Tiger feeling his turn post-impact; I think it may have been Tathata golf?
By: Zach F on Oct. 16, 2024, 6:28 a.m.
Holy cats!
I think I’ve had a breakthrough when it come to bracing- you’re REALLY bracing, aren’t you? Like, lead foot is pushing back and up, trail glute is really tucking under… your hatches are totally battened, as if you were ice fishing by hand and the club just after impact were a fishing line and there was a big ol musky hooked on it getting ready to make a break for it and dive down at what, 30 degrees ish? And a few(10-15) degrees out?
By: Tyler F on Oct. 30, 2024, 9:07 a.m.
Zach,
Yes, the shoulder retraction would happen after impact. After maximum arm extension in the follow through, so well after the wipe. It would be part of the bracing that would help you feel the tug of the club.
Happy Golfing,
Tyler
By: Tyler F on Oct. 30, 2024, 9:34 a.m.
Zach,
Thanks for the video link. Yes, I know he worked a lot on getting his arms more in front to fix his “getting stuck” issue. I haven’t seen the tahata golf clip, but that feel wouldn’t surprise me. Although, at other times he said he would snap his left leg for power, that sounds like slightly conflicting feels to me.
Pt 2 – Yes, the bracing videos look much cleaner. The follow through on the shorter swing looks like a position where it would be very hard to hook it. Good job!
Tyler
